and this is where change has to be imminent. it cannot last as presented. hopefully this change is for the greater good and delivers us a club that win or lose, we can be proud of.


lots of proud eagles, saints and dogs fans getting around these days.

Some good discussion on here – bazbaz, club 29, frank d, chelodina, etc.

As a club and as a supporter base, we need to support the club’s leaders in making the correct, long term decisions rather than the short-term easy ones. We’ve been a bit like a person with a weight issue periodically running to the fridge for a piece of cream cake. It might feel good temporarily, but then we’re left with a stomach ache afterwards and ongoing health issues.

From where I sit, Stephen Trigg and Mark La Guidice are making the right noises. I think a great thing that we can do is to give the club feedback that we like those noises and expect them to be followed through with action, most critically at year end list management time. They need to know that it isn’t just noisy, wealthy factions that have a say in club direction.
Re coaching and game day strategy, I am confused like others re the situations that seem to crop up regularly where we don’t maintain a forward structure on the park, and players stream forward only to find nothing to kick to….etc.

Given the timelines that we’re looking at to be really competitive again, I believe that the right strategy is to align under a new coach at years end. I don’t know who that is.

Someone asked if I am a member – yes every year since 1993.

Don't be fooled trem. La Guidice is a puppet. nothing more. he's no leader, that's for sure. he's not going to pick people up and carry them on his back. he definitely can't implement change or install his vision. I'm not saying he doesn't have one, he's just not allowed. The president of carlton, and every one since elliot, is told what to do, and what to say.

Just like Synbad said ... people at the club who want to own CFC, aren't allowed to... so alls they can do is control it form the outside.

La Guidice is a mouthpiece for the pratts. he does what he's told and he keeps his job, the pay & prestige which go with it and all that.

So why can't we, as supporters and members do a thing about it? How do we vote for a spill of the board or something and get these people out of there?? Why do we have to put up with this??

I ask cause it's frustrating to hear this stuff and not being able to do anything!

There isn't much point the midfield getting the ball when it is just being blasted forward or they are feeling implied pressure and make the wrong decisions with use of the ball, skills and decision making are absolutely shot, I would hate to be a forward trying to decide do I lead of do I wait for the bomb, the haphazard way the ball comes forward is a nightmare and the opposition only have to put one back and we get picked off every time

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Good man Trem.

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I thought Sticks was the frontman for the Pratts but LoGuidice is Mathieson's man

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There are three main camps.
Two are allies..

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That is as far as possible from the truth as you can get.

Yeah i agree. although i would have no idea how one goes about causing a spill. I know we need to ditch the wealthy benefactors – who don't do it out of kindness, there's always a catch – propping us up and stand on our own two feet.

that would be a start to heading in the right direction. but again, i have no idea how we simply toss them out.

In a way you're both correct.
But he's not independentl of them.
... Have your seen those cartoons where the fish gets eaten and only the bones are left?
That's what would happen to him when the time comes... Except no bones either...
Which of course means he also does what he's told..
To think otherwise suggests you have no clue on the makeup of this board

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http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2015-05-12/what-we-have-learnt-round-6


Hope we learnt more than this.

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Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Pratts, Smorgon and Mathieson?

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No Elliott is the other through son and Fraser brown group

Everybody means well. Even the smorgons did.
None of them have the answer..

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This is the most imporrtant pointall memebsr remember. These powers are not the enemy they just arent doing their job well. They should know by now theres better people oout there who can help the club rise back to the top.

The piece that seems to be missing is their inability to put inplace the processes which adopt a platform for best practise on and off the field.

I believe we didnt have the right people in the important positions probably since 1996.
I also can understand the club was effectively broke in 2002 and beyond and had no money to invest in the right areas. As a result we winged it. Didnt discuss, didnt vote, didnt consult, just winged it...and look at where that has got us.

The power brokers arent dumb and they arent smart. If they were smart they would ask smart advisors on what messages should come out of their mouths. Spontaneous remarks led by the king of looose lips and smartarse Elliot and continued by Smorgon, Geminder, Sticks, Mathieson, Trigg, LoGuidice....have not been helpful selling a message...probably because they haven't devised a thorough fail proof plan to refer to.

Maybe they are seeing the shortfalls of their ways and are improving. I hope so. Theres no signs thats the case.

I believe the rebuild started in year 2 of MM's regime, having since turned over half the list.
Unfortnately Thomas and Jones have not been good for us thus far, and there's doubts Tutt and Dick will, but they give us ...depth? But, Everitt and Docherty have been good gets.

Why didntt LoD just say something like ...we started the rebuilding process 2 years ago and the results thus far reflect that hence bottoming out. We didnt think we'd go down the ladder so far, but it was always a possibility. We are now looking up to build on the talent we have.

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The answer is not at board level. The board's role should be in appointing a CEO to specifically address the board's platform. The board should actually have no input into any football related activity other than a goal of premiership 17, 18, 19 etc.

Buck stops with the CEO and his team.

While I said in another thread, I am not concerned the the president said we are rebuilding... No problem with coming out and saying we are rebuilding, but is this part of the strategy developed by the CEO and did this strategy change from the off-season? If so, how have the football department structures changed?

Random thoughts are not professional or constructive.

well said.

the problem with juice is, he's not a football guy or a football mind. effectively writing the season off publicly after round two will cost carlton potentially millions in revenue, cost us any chance of the players buying into a system and giving up their body this season and future free agent gets as we try to shake off the label we're a club who takes the easy outs and tanks to get what it wants.

it's a horrible hole he's dug, and it seemed to be one born out of no vision, panic and thoughtlessness.

imo, it's the worst possible start a president could have had with us.

Murphy and Gibbs were nowhere near it...in the last quarter!

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Sarcastic comment Blue Boots

Because he is not smart enough to be president