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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 5:09 pm 
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Eddie Betts is and always has been a flat track bully ... great against poor sides and poor against great sides.

But of course now that he has left Carlton he is a superstar.


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Ranked 9th in Total Marks Inside 50 in 2015 Ranked 2nd in Total Goals in 2015
Ranked 9th in Total Goals in 2014 Ranked 10th in Goals Per Game in 2014
Ranked 1st in Goal Assists Per Game in 2014 Ranked 3rd in Total Goal Assists in 2014
Ranked 7th in Total Goal Assists in 2013 Ranked 2nd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2013
Ranked 2nd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2012 Ranked 10th in Total Goals in 2012
Ranked 5th in Total Goal Assists in 2012 Ranked 5th in Total Goal Assists in 2011
Ranked 10th in Goal Assists Per Game in 201 Ranked 9th in Total Goals in 2011
Ranked 1st in Total Goal Assists in 2010 Ranked 2nd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2010
Ranked 2nd in Total Goal Assists in 2009 Ranked 3rd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2009

He kicked 15 goals against the top 4 sides last year at an average of 2.5 goals per game. Yet according to you he's a "flat track bully"?
Of course those stats don't include his pressure acts including being 3rd in the AFL for forward 50 tackles last year.
I'd suggest his statistic above indicate he is a superstar of the AFL and your comments are uninformed at best.

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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 5:34 pm 
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Yup we have Eddie covered here at Carlton...

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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
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i remember when eddie went over to adelaide he couldn't believe what real AFL training and conditioning actually involved.

speaks volumes of us.


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 Post subject: Eddie Betts
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 7:00 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
i remember when eddie went over to adelaide he couldn't believe what real AFL training and conditioning actually involved.

speaks volumes of us.

The club will never spend money where it is most needed ... It's all about perception, deflection and the quick fix ... Club is stuffed beyond repair ... Our only hope is to rid ourselves of the puppet masters but that ain't going to happen any time soon ...


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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 7:36 pm 
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The truth is these people who are pulling the strings do not think they're doing us bad.
They really think they can fix it.
Tinker here... Fine tune there.. A sacking over there..
Eventually they believe they will get it right.. To be fair they have gifted alot of money and they don't want somebody else coming in and claiming the glory..
They would say where was everybody when the club needed them?
These people are also successful at what they do.. And they believe the club needs them.
In a way a pathetic lazy club with poor culture does need them... Because as swann said when he came in.. " I looked in the brw top 300.. And seventy odd were Carlton supporters " very tempting to look over there instead of rolling up the sleeves and doing some hard work..
The truth is also these people and the parasites that hang off them need the club.
It makes them feel important and relevant.
The hangers on and shills are nothing but groupies... They nod and repeat every move the big boys make. Unable to confront or question.. Easily led by the nose.
They're the rest of us on steroids closer to the football club... It makes lives more meaningful in their own heads.

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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 8:59 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
barass wrote:
Eddie Betts is and always has been a flat track bully ... great against poor sides and poor against great sides.

But of course now that he has left Carlton he is a superstar.


Career Statistical Rankings
Ranked 9th in Total Goal Assists in 2015 Ranked 3rd in Goals Per Game in 2015
Ranked 9th in Total Marks Inside 50 in 2015 Ranked 2nd in Total Goals in 2015
Ranked 9th in Total Goals in 2014 Ranked 10th in Goals Per Game in 2014
Ranked 1st in Goal Assists Per Game in 2014 Ranked 3rd in Total Goal Assists in 2014
Ranked 7th in Total Goal Assists in 2013 Ranked 2nd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2013
Ranked 2nd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2012 Ranked 10th in Total Goals in 2012
Ranked 5th in Total Goal Assists in 2012 Ranked 5th in Total Goal Assists in 2011
Ranked 10th in Goal Assists Per Game in 201 Ranked 9th in Total Goals in 2011
Ranked 1st in Total Goal Assists in 2010 Ranked 2nd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2010
Ranked 2nd in Total Goal Assists in 2009 Ranked 3rd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2009

He kicked 15 goals against the top 4 sides last year at an average of 2.5 goals per game. Yet according to you he's a "flat track bully"?
Of course those stats don't include his pressure acts including being 3rd in the AFL for forward 50 tackles last year.
I'd suggest his statistic above indicate he is a superstar of the AFL and your comments are uninformed at best.


And Graeme Hick had a first class average of 52.23 ... get the drift?

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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 12:01 am 
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barass wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
barass wrote:
Eddie Betts is and always has been a flat track bully ... great against poor sides and poor against great sides.

But of course now that he has left Carlton he is a superstar.


Career Statistical Rankings
Ranked 9th in Total Goal Assists in 2015 Ranked 3rd in Goals Per Game in 2015
Ranked 9th in Total Marks Inside 50 in 2015 Ranked 2nd in Total Goals in 2015
Ranked 9th in Total Goals in 2014 Ranked 10th in Goals Per Game in 2014
Ranked 1st in Goal Assists Per Game in 2014 Ranked 3rd in Total Goal Assists in 2014
Ranked 7th in Total Goal Assists in 2013 Ranked 2nd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2013
Ranked 2nd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2012 Ranked 10th in Total Goals in 2012
Ranked 5th in Total Goal Assists in 2012 Ranked 5th in Total Goal Assists in 2011
Ranked 10th in Goal Assists Per Game in 201 Ranked 9th in Total Goals in 2011
Ranked 1st in Total Goal Assists in 2010 Ranked 2nd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2010
Ranked 2nd in Total Goal Assists in 2009 Ranked 3rd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2009

He kicked 15 goals against the top 4 sides last year at an average of 2.5 goals per game. Yet according to you he's a "flat track bully"?
Of course those stats don't include his pressure acts including being 3rd in the AFL for forward 50 tackles last year.
I'd suggest his statistic above indicate he is a superstar of the AFL and your comments are uninformed at best.


And Graeme Hick had a first class average of 52.23 ... get the drift?


Are you Andrew McKay in disguise?

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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 2:17 am 
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When the team was struggling to do anything remotely right early on in games, Eddie would often do blink-and-miss-it (and the commentators constantly did blather-and-miss-it) acts to kick or assist a crucial goal. Lots of people in the football world should be made to watch his games again. Apart from that, his highlight reel shouldn't need pointing out. He might not have had the greatest discipline off the field - I'm not sure if that speculation is warranted anyway - but he gave a lot more than he usually gets credit for, and not just against weak sides. He was a shining light in frequently poor company. Whether we should have paid overs to keep him, I don't know, but I was gutted to lose him. Due to our unfathomably stupid media, he'll sadly be remembered more for his shorts than his immense talent and contribution to the game.

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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 4:59 am 
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We miss Eddie so much. He's in the very top group of crumbing forwards in the comp over the past decade. Goals, assists and pressure.

Now, everytime the ball hits the ground in our fwd line I cringe. :yikes:

We should have kept him.


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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 7:11 am 
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barass wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
barass wrote:
Eddie Betts is and always has been a flat track bully ... great against poor sides and poor against great sides.

But of course now that he has left Carlton he is a superstar.


Career Statistical Rankings
Ranked 9th in Total Goal Assists in 2015 Ranked 3rd in Goals Per Game in 2015
Ranked 9th in Total Marks Inside 50 in 2015 Ranked 2nd in Total Goals in 2015
Ranked 9th in Total Goals in 2014 Ranked 10th in Goals Per Game in 2014
Ranked 1st in Goal Assists Per Game in 2014 Ranked 3rd in Total Goal Assists in 2014
Ranked 7th in Total Goal Assists in 2013 Ranked 2nd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2013
Ranked 2nd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2012 Ranked 10th in Total Goals in 2012
Ranked 5th in Total Goal Assists in 2012 Ranked 5th in Total Goal Assists in 2011
Ranked 10th in Goal Assists Per Game in 201 Ranked 9th in Total Goals in 2011
Ranked 1st in Total Goal Assists in 2010 Ranked 2nd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2010
Ranked 2nd in Total Goal Assists in 2009 Ranked 3rd in Goal Assists Per Game in 2009

He kicked 15 goals against the top 4 sides last year at an average of 2.5 goals per game. Yet according to you he's a "flat track bully"?
Of course those stats don't include his pressure acts including being 3rd in the AFL for forward 50 tackles last year.
I'd suggest his statistic above indicate he is a superstar of the AFL and your comments are uninformed at best.


And Graeme Hick had a first class average of 52.23 ... get the drift?


Exactly

People are deluded if they believe this guy would have made a significant difference to our fortunes going forward

He was a flat track bully at Carlton, who was one dimensional and struggled against the better teams. Great against the poorer teams

In 9 seasons at Carlton, his best finish in a B&F was a second in 2012. Only placed in the top 10 3 times. Considering he played most games, that doesn't read like a great player to me. Definitely not worth over 500k a season

Although, would prefer him over Thomas


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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 7:38 am 
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Percy wrote:
We miss Eddie so much. He's in the very top group of crumbing forwards in the comp over the past decade. Goals, assists and pressure.

Now, everytime the ball hits the ground in our fwd line I cringe. :yikes:

We should have kept him.



what did someone here say last week? we lost 6 or 9 games by less than 2 kicks last year? i dare say we'd have won more than two-thirds of those games with eddie still here.


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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 7:41 am 
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WOW wrote:

He was a flat track bully at Carlton, who was one dimensional and struggled against the better teams. Great against the poorer teams



he was no bully. his numbers weren't as good in important games against good sides because we had nobody else up front and haven't since Fev left.

it's a lot easier for better teams to shut down and zone off one forward because the better teams have the cattle in defense to do it.


it's all to do with structure and personnel. under malthouse, we've had neither.

Betts crumbing casboult, henderson and waite last year would have been a potent forward line, imo.


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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 12:22 pm 
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Actually it had more to do with a persistent groin injury. Funny how that magically disappeared when he started training better...

Didn't have the mentality with us, does now. Was still very productive despite it, but not to be relied upon in crunch games.

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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
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Betts is heaps more ripped and fitter since moving there.

again, speaks volumes for how we do things here.


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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 2:23 pm 
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Betts is heaps more ripped and fitter since moving there.

again, speaks volumes for how we do things here.

Or how he did things while here, under Cordy?

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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
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jimmae wrote:
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Betts is heaps more ripped and fitter since moving there.

again, speaks volumes for how we do things here.

Or how he did things while here, under Cordy?



what team do you watch on the weekends jimmy?

we don't have anyone here ripped. menzel actually looks skinnier.

cripps is getting ripped, but he does that all on his own, outside of carlton, along with his sprint training. he's a footballer, though.


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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 2:55 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
WOW wrote:

He was a flat track bully at Carlton, who was one dimensional and struggled against the better teams. Great against the poorer teams



he was no bully. his numbers weren't as good in important games against good sides because we had nobody else up front and haven't since Fev left.

it's a lot easier for better teams to shut down and zone off one forward because the better teams have the cattle in defense to do it.



Spot on.
What some of these nuffies don't understand is the whole of the AFLs numbers aren't as good against the better sides because the better sides are harder to score against.
Hence why they're on top of the ladder and the shit sides who are easier to score against are on the bottom.

You'd think it's pretty simple but obviously not simple enough for some. Eddie is no different to every other forward in the AFL including the absolute elite. He scores more against poor defences.
But the reality is he also scores goals against the best teams. That's why he's been top bracket in the AFL for goals and goal assists for years.

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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
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Braithy wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Betts is heaps more ripped and fitter since moving there.

again, speaks volumes for how we do things here.

Or how he did things while here, under Cordy?



what team do you watch on the weekends jimmy?

we don't have anyone here ripped. menzel actually looks skinnier.

cripps is getting ripped, but he does that all on his own, outside of carlton, along with his sprint training. he's a footballer, though.

This post shows how little you understand about current trends. Senior AFL players have probably dropped 3-5 kilos on average over the last 18 months.

Less body weight = better running capacity

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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
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Thats not right. When betts got into trouble, with scotland and walker. Their punishment was extra training and he was ripped then. He used to do extra training sessions in boxing at my gym.

So the fitness side is all on him. What is on us, is that we probably did not ride him enough to get more fit. Our senior guys just get away with being slack.

This is the whole problem.

Our seniors play bad and they are still getting games when they dont deserve it.


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 Post subject: Re: Eddie Betts
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 5:12 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Braithy wrote:
WOW wrote:

He was a flat track bully at Carlton, who was one dimensional and struggled against the better teams. Great against the poorer teams



he was no bully. his numbers weren't as good in important games against good sides because we had nobody else up front and haven't since Fev left.

it's a lot easier for better teams to shut down and zone off one forward because the better teams have the cattle in defense to do it.



Spot on.
What some of these nuffies don't understand is the whole of the AFLs numbers aren't as good against the better sides because the better sides are harder to score against.
Hence why they're on top of the ladder and the shit sides who are easier to score against are on the bottom.

You'd think it's pretty simple but obviously not simple enough for some. Eddie is no different to every other forward in the AFL including the absolute elite. He scores more against poor defences.
But the reality is he also scores goals against the best teams. That's why he's been top bracket in the AFL for goals and goal assists for years.


What's his finals record like?

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