I am with Trem. I don't like Mick but I think we can get a positive result keeping him on for the rest of the year.
The stats were good yesterday in important areas like getting the ball first. If Mick can get games into kids and still have us win the ball at stoppages that is a start to achieving what the dogs and port have done. By the end of the year he can extend on that part of our game an add a few more strings too it.
We wont win a game but that is not what rebuilds and development is all about.

For us the supporters Mick should come out and say he is retiring at the end of the year. He should say that he plans on spending the rest of the year developing the team for the future.
He should be flanked by the captain , macca , sos and the prez. All on the same page. He should tell us that there will be scoreboard pain but to look closely at the game enjoy the young players going through their apprenticeships.
After games he should explain why he made moves like leaving young players in for important centre bounces and why he left young players on forwards when they were getting well beaten (see Harry O and Brown on Fev all them years ago) to learn.

This is the rebuild we all wanted. Some good trading at seasons end and a slick new coach will see us reap the rewards of what we do for the rest of the year.

Two excellent posts I reckon

Never like to lose but bell casboult Docherty cripps jaksch smith all showed something

Another game into buckley (he was ordinary ) as was whiley - graham still needs more game time - without being heretical didn't think apart from his goal kicking Jones was that bad either

And look how we played after we had that melee. Softer than that.

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Agree with most of that boys but we need to understand that the club requires members....paying members.

I doubt you would expect the same membership next year if we don't win a game for the rest of the year.

Clubs need the revenue from people turning up game day and also the money that membership tickets generates. Football followers can be very fickle if their side is not winning.

So whilst I agree with the "play for pain to get the gain long term" mantra, it needs to balanced against the requirement to remain viable.

BTW boys. Are you both paid up members?

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the thing is ... all carlton need to do is put in an honest day's work, and people will still come and watch whether we're winning or not. a bit of guts on the field and a bit of pride in the jumper.

at the moment it's a bunch of hairboys and pretty boys jogging around coming off the ground just as clean as when they ran through the banner.

people won't pay for that tripe, and nor should they .

Yesterday....20 000.

Carlton home game. Expected to come out spitting fire after last week.

People will not turn up if they don't expect to get some joy. That's life.

True supporters will support the club through membership no matter what happens because they live in hope of a turn around. Look at the Richmond supporters through their horrible run a few years ago.

As for turning up game day to see loss after loss. Meh

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I know folks are trying their best to be positive, saying things like there were some good signs yesterday. But I'm not buying it. Good signs would be playing like we did against say Hawthorn or Sydney. Its was the Brisbane bloody lions for crying out loud.

Good signs? hardly.

Being there was one thing, but I didn't want to comment until I'd watched the game replay on TV. Now that I have, I wish I could sit here and type away a thesis on the how's and why's we lost. But I can't.

1. Is it the game plan?
2. Are the players against Malthouse?
3. Do we simply have an entire list of duds?
4. None of the above.
5. All of the above.


So many questions, so much wrong with how we are going about it, I wouldn't have a clue where to start, let alone think I have an answer. Its a bloody mess. One huge confusing mess.

I am not a member. Doubt i will ever be a member of a sports club again.

Whoever is coaching out the year is going to be a development coach. I think Mick wouldn't be too bad in the role and we wouldn't have to pay anyone out. He could announce his retirement. The club, Mick and players all saved the embarrassment of another coach sacking.

Would be great if it was all out in the open though.

By the end of the year i would like to see our young players really feeling like they belong out there. Able to defend, win the ball and maintain possession . Id like to see blokes like Docherty , Bell and Cripps to rise up a level and take pressure off the older guys.
We have 17 games left. 17 opportunities for players to step their game up a notch to set themselves up for the years ahead under a hard edged modern coach with fresh ideas.

Become a member mate. Come along to AGM and make your well thought out ideas known.

Come on Club. Do it

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ha........nah i don't think i will be doing that mate. Being a member of a sports club is not my thing.

Only went because the kids wanted to have kick to kick on the ground after the game. At the end of the match, one was in tears, both just wanted to leave. What a waste of time... and, yes, I had to carry a footy around all day.

It's round 6, We'll have zero attendees by years end.

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Greg Lee

In this case fickleness has nothing to do with it, we are not being fickle.

We care believe me we care.

The Board needs to be made accountable, they need to see that they need us more than we need them.

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still too many sheep spouting crap like 'true supporters stick fat through thick and thin, good times and bad times' ..... 'oh you're clearly not a true supporter if you dont buy a membership or dont go to the game'

true supporters, who really care - won't put up with this shit any longer and if the required action is not going to the games and not buying memberships so the knobs at the top get the message... then all the 'true supporters' should be doing this.

the club calls this 'apathy' .... lets see how apathetic we can all be and how much fun the board has then

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

To me it looked like skill errors and decision making were the issue, we had plenty of the ball but couldn't deliver it with any purpose, no wonder the forwards are up the ground chasing kicks they can't rely on the midfielders to deliver the ball with any surety.
Would I be over complicating things if I said the full forward line should not cross chf when we have the ball and only go up the ground if their direct opponent goes when they have the ball, same for half forwards, midfielders to stay out of the forward 50 unless there is a hole or they are running to create and option, defenders not to cross the centre, the exception being Touhey if he can have a shot from 60

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This is the nub of it.

I don't mind being beaten if the boys have a go..
Tossing in the towel half way through the third quarter is another thing altogether.

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Well I don't think the boys tossed the towel at half time.
Actually tossing the towel sounds gross

Anyway..

You can't expect underdone players and kids that don't have a tank then couple that with leaders knowing there's no incentive and expect the team to finish a game strongly.
I think by half way through the season we will show what we're capable of...
We will improve..

But the future of the club is bleak!
The club is poorly managed from the top down

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That's fine if that's the way you roll.

Keep being apathetic and ramp up your apathy so even those in power see it.

For mine ill keep supporting Carlton until the club makes the "U" turn. Just like I keep supporting my kids until they "get it"

Each to their own

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Look the traitorous thing is old hat.
You're either with us or against us or unAustralian.. Etc is a mugs call to arms.
Let's face it.
People should be more sophisticated in this day and age.

The homogenizing of the game has certainly taken out any genuine tribal loyalties ..
Then add a pinch of elitism and underperformance and it's hard to talk about "us" the tribe..

Speaking of elitism.. I wonder what the think tank are thinking..?

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they are studying the ledger sheet studiously and cursing all the zeros which aren't there.


they only care about one thing. the bottom line.

They will disintegrate when their model of management is shown up.
It's pretty close now.
The AFL don't allow private ownership so the hybrid of attempting to own a club when you cannot actually own it kilda the model.
For instance say the Pratt family owned it.. The family would be compelled to fix it because it can't continue to leak money and prestige.
Just like any business.
But if you're controlling it and don't actually own it.. It's different.
You need to deal with members other factions.. And why should you throw in more money when it's not your asset?
That's why relying on the few and not the many can't work..
Then there is the whole question of unaccountability that is fermented at the top and flowing down right throughout.

Clearly this is not a sustainable and healthy model for success.

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