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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 10:03 pm 
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MPH78 wrote:
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This is an email I sent the club on Monday. Could've spent more time on it and been more eloquent but I think the message comes across. Sometimes I wish I didn't but I care about this club and it's soul destroying we're a basket case again.

With the public statements by Trigg and MLG, I figure there is no harm in posting this.

"Dear Mr Steven Trigg

My name is Mat and I’m a lifelong supporter and member.

A more passionate Carlton person you will not find. My own personal happiness is directly aligned to the performance and success of our team and club. Just ask my wife, friends and work colleagues.

To be a true power club again and have ongoing and sustainable success is my single biggest wish.

I stood by the club throughout the dark years of 2002 – 2007, which were soul destroying to say the least.

I was present at Friday night’s game with my 10 year old son (soon to be 11) who was ‘Born A Blue’. To be frank, I was absolutely disgusted and alarmed with what I witnessed. Reminded me of those dark times, which are all too fresh in the memory. My son turned to me at 3 quarter time with tears in his eyes and said ‘Dad can we go now, I can’t take this anymore’.

How can we find ourselves in this position again and so soon? Sobering thought, isn’t it? This is an indictment on the club and all those that have held positions of power over this time.

Who is accountable for this? Will the Board publicly take responsibility for the strategies and decisions they have taken that have lead to the club being in this dire position again?

The Key Drivers for Success are just words. Heard these and similar before. Meaningful change and tangible evidence of improvement are required.

Winning games has to be part of any measurement of success. Especially after the poor seasons of recent years.
Consider the following:

· - The unacceptable performances in the first two games come after the club and players have publicly announced they are fully united and have established new standards and a culture of professionalism and excellence.

· - To start well but then show zero response when challenged in listless performances that lack basic team spirit, teamwork and competitiveness.

· - The stark lack of any on field leadership.

· - This is the 3rd season in a row where the season is effectively over in the first few weeks. How can these types of performances continually be dished up and tolerated?

· - How other clubs seemingly in the same tier have surpassed us in one offseason with elite young talent coming through and performing well (eg Port in 2014, Bulldogs this year) when we’ve had 3 under the current regime. Our better players are still our more experienced ones and our depth and talented youth is thin at best.

· - How many times the club has found itself in this position since the start of 2012. Do you think the members and supporters are just going to stand for it time and time again? We’ve heard all the words from the players and coaches about what’s required but it’s the actions on field that count.

· - The club has effectively wasted the ‘Judd era’ with substandard recruiting and development.

· - The club has not had meaningful success for 20 years and has failed to do what’s required in the modern age to be successful. While the same board members and powerbrokers are involved with the club in positions of influence, this will not change.

In short, I am heartbroken and gutted that the club is in this position again.

I have lost complete faith in all those at the club and sadly see very little hope for success in the immediate, short and medium terms. Especially when considering how the club has been mismanaged during this wasted era. How could we have any confidence in the club’s capability to turn this around?

I trust you’ll recognise when you have core members and supporters feeling like this, the club has serious problems. I doubt I’m alone in my thoughts.

I thought long and hard about whether to compose and send this email. I know the likelihood is it will be ignored and make no difference to the club whatsoever. However I couldn’t live with myself if I didn’t do something, no matter how small, because the sad reality is this once great club is dying.

I would welcome a response and look forward to hearing from you.

Regards

Mat"


That was the email I sent the club after the West Coast game back on page 25. Long story short, received a personal call from Steven Trigg today. He first called last week and left a message and we've been playing phone tag since.

First of all, massive kudos for taking the time to call. Much respect for doing that alone. Certainly didn't expect it.

We had a great, in depth discussion today. I was pleasantly surprised by how open he was. Covered pretty much everything that I raised above.

Out of respect and courtesy to Steven, I'm not going to post the specifics and details of the discussion. That would be highly inappropriate imho. Other than to say that he 'gets it'. He knows what's required to fully rebuild the club properly, on and off field, and that he wont encounter internal obstacles in achieving this.

I'm still gutted and heartbroken about where the club is at. There's no denying we are in for some serious pain in the short term at least. But I must admit that I felt a lot better after the conversation today.

Of course, time will tell and actions speak louder than words. But I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and see what transpires.


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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 10:11 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
MPH78 wrote:
MPH78 wrote:
This is an email I sent the club on Monday. Could've spent more time on it and been more eloquent but I think the message comes across. Sometimes I wish I didn't but I care about this club and it's soul destroying we're a basket case again.

With the public statements by Trigg and MLG, I figure there is no harm in posting this.

"Dear Mr Steven Trigg

My name is Mat and I’m a lifelong supporter and member.

A more passionate Carlton person you will not find. My own personal happiness is directly aligned to the performance and success of our team and club. Just ask my wife, friends and work colleagues.

To be a true power club again and have ongoing and sustainable success is my single biggest wish.

I stood by the club throughout the dark years of 2002 – 2007, which were soul destroying to say the least.

I was present at Friday night’s game with my 10 year old son (soon to be 11) who was ‘Born A Blue’. To be frank, I was absolutely disgusted and alarmed with what I witnessed. Reminded me of those dark times, which are all too fresh in the memory. My son turned to me at 3 quarter time with tears in his eyes and said ‘Dad can we go now, I can’t take this anymore’.

How can we find ourselves in this position again and so soon? Sobering thought, isn’t it? This is an indictment on the club and all those that have held positions of power over this time.

Who is accountable for this? Will the Board publicly take responsibility for the strategies and decisions they have taken that have lead to the club being in this dire position again?

The Key Drivers for Success are just words. Heard these and similar before. Meaningful change and tangible evidence of improvement are required.

Winning games has to be part of any measurement of success. Especially after the poor seasons of recent years.
Consider the following:

· - The unacceptable performances in the first two games come after the club and players have publicly announced they are fully united and have established new standards and a culture of professionalism and excellence.

· - To start well but then show zero response when challenged in listless performances that lack basic team spirit, teamwork and competitiveness.

· - The stark lack of any on field leadership.

· - This is the 3rd season in a row where the season is effectively over in the first few weeks. How can these types of performances continually be dished up and tolerated?

· - How other clubs seemingly in the same tier have surpassed us in one offseason with elite young talent coming through and performing well (eg Port in 2014, Bulldogs this year) when we’ve had 3 under the current regime. Our better players are still our more experienced ones and our depth and talented youth is thin at best.

· - How many times the club has found itself in this position since the start of 2012. Do you think the members and supporters are just going to stand for it time and time again? We’ve heard all the words from the players and coaches about what’s required but it’s the actions on field that count.

· - The club has effectively wasted the ‘Judd era’ with substandard recruiting and development.

· - The club has not had meaningful success for 20 years and has failed to do what’s required in the modern age to be successful. While the same board members and powerbrokers are involved with the club in positions of influence, this will not change.

In short, I am heartbroken and gutted that the club is in this position again.

I have lost complete faith in all those at the club and sadly see very little hope for success in the immediate, short and medium terms. Especially when considering how the club has been mismanaged during this wasted era. How could we have any confidence in the club’s capability to turn this around?

I trust you’ll recognise when you have core members and supporters feeling like this, the club has serious problems. I doubt I’m alone in my thoughts.

I thought long and hard about whether to compose and send this email. I know the likelihood is it will be ignored and make no difference to the club whatsoever. However I couldn’t live with myself if I didn’t do something, no matter how small, because the sad reality is this once great club is dying.

I would welcome a response and look forward to hearing from you.

Regards

Mat"


That was the email I sent the club after the West Coast game back on page 25. Long story short, received a personal call from Steven Trigg today. He first called last week and left a message and we've been playing phone tag since.

First of all, massive kudos for taking the time to call. Much respect for doing that alone. Certainly didn't expect it.

We had a great, in depth discussion today. I was pleasantly surprised by how open he was. Covered pretty much everything that I raised above.

Out of respect and courtesy to Steven, I'm not going to post the specifics and details of the discussion. That would be highly inappropriate imho. Other than to say that he 'gets it'. He knows what's required to fully rebuild the club properly, on and off field, and that he wont encounter internal obstacles in achieving this.

I'm still gutted and heartbroken about where the club is at. There's no denying we are in for some serious pain in the short term at least. But I must admit that I felt a lot better after the conversation today.

Of course, time will tell and actions speak louder than words. But I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and see what transpires.


:thumbsup:


did you tell him that you hope the call was being recorded for training purposes?....for the board and the players?

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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 10:16 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
MPH78 wrote:
MPH78 wrote:
This is an email I sent the club on Monday. Could've spent more time on it and been more eloquent but I think the message comes across. Sometimes I wish I didn't but I care about this club and it's soul destroying we're a basket case again.

With the public statements by Trigg and MLG, I figure there is no harm in posting this.

"Dear Mr Steven Trigg

My name is Mat and I’m a lifelong supporter and member.

A more passionate Carlton person you will not find. My own personal happiness is directly aligned to the performance and success of our team and club. Just ask my wife, friends and work colleagues.

To be a true power club again and have ongoing and sustainable success is my single biggest wish.

I stood by the club throughout the dark years of 2002 – 2007, which were soul destroying to say the least.

I was present at Friday night’s game with my 10 year old son (soon to be 11) who was ‘Born A Blue’. To be frank, I was absolutely disgusted and alarmed with what I witnessed. Reminded me of those dark times, which are all too fresh in the memory. My son turned to me at 3 quarter time with tears in his eyes and said ‘Dad can we go now, I can’t take this anymore’.

How can we find ourselves in this position again and so soon? Sobering thought, isn’t it? This is an indictment on the club and all those that have held positions of power over this time.

Who is accountable for this? Will the Board publicly take responsibility for the strategies and decisions they have taken that have lead to the club being in this dire position again?

The Key Drivers for Success are just words. Heard these and similar before. Meaningful change and tangible evidence of improvement are required.

Winning games has to be part of any measurement of success. Especially after the poor seasons of recent years.
Consider the following:

· - The unacceptable performances in the first two games come after the club and players have publicly announced they are fully united and have established new standards and a culture of professionalism and excellence.

· - To start well but then show zero response when challenged in listless performances that lack basic team spirit, teamwork and competitiveness.

· - The stark lack of any on field leadership.

· - This is the 3rd season in a row where the season is effectively over in the first few weeks. How can these types of performances continually be dished up and tolerated?

· - How other clubs seemingly in the same tier have surpassed us in one offseason with elite young talent coming through and performing well (eg Port in 2014, Bulldogs this year) when we’ve had 3 under the current regime. Our better players are still our more experienced ones and our depth and talented youth is thin at best.

· - How many times the club has found itself in this position since the start of 2012. Do you think the members and supporters are just going to stand for it time and time again? We’ve heard all the words from the players and coaches about what’s required but it’s the actions on field that count.

· - The club has effectively wasted the ‘Judd era’ with substandard recruiting and development.

· - The club has not had meaningful success for 20 years and has failed to do what’s required in the modern age to be successful. While the same board members and powerbrokers are involved with the club in positions of influence, this will not change.

In short, I am heartbroken and gutted that the club is in this position again.

I have lost complete faith in all those at the club and sadly see very little hope for success in the immediate, short and medium terms. Especially when considering how the club has been mismanaged during this wasted era. How could we have any confidence in the club’s capability to turn this around?

I trust you’ll recognise when you have core members and supporters feeling like this, the club has serious problems. I doubt I’m alone in my thoughts.

I thought long and hard about whether to compose and send this email. I know the likelihood is it will be ignored and make no difference to the club whatsoever. However I couldn’t live with myself if I didn’t do something, no matter how small, because the sad reality is this once great club is dying.

I would welcome a response and look forward to hearing from you.

Regards

Mat"


That was the email I sent the club after the West Coast game back on page 25. Long story short, received a personal call from Steven Trigg today. He first called last week and left a message and we've been playing phone tag since.

First of all, massive kudos for taking the time to call. Much respect for doing that alone. Certainly didn't expect it.

We had a great, in depth discussion today. I was pleasantly surprised by how open he was. Covered pretty much everything that I raised above.

Out of respect and courtesy to Steven, I'm not going to post the specifics and details of the discussion. That would be highly inappropriate imho. Other than to say that he 'gets it'. He knows what's required to fully rebuild the club properly, on and off field, and that he wont encounter internal obstacles in achieving this.

I'm still gutted and heartbroken about where the club is at. There's no denying we are in for some serious pain in the short term at least. But I must admit that I felt a lot better after the conversation today.

Of course, time will tell and actions speak louder than words. But I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and see what transpires.


:thumbsup:


:thumbsup: :clap:
I too sent him a letter and received a phone call today
He was courteous, in depth , and appeared to take my concerns seriously.
Sounds like he's been busy, but he has my respect for replying.
He's been handed a poisoned chalice... All the best to him

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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 11:22 pm 
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Who gives a shit if he calls anyone in response to a letter or email. That's just lip service and I bet that he is wrapped you have posted this.

It means @#$%&! all when the same people are still there calling the shots, making the same mindless calls and leading us down the same path.

Let's see what he does. Let's see who resigns. Let's see who takes some responsibility.

My money is no one will.


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 6:28 am 
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Talk talk, all talk hey?

All of them.

Just shut the f up and so something!

I don't listen to the hollow talk anymore.


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:36 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
my PA answers emails from my account, sends letters with my signature at the bottom etc etc

i don't think steven is sitting there answering every single fan email, sorry


I read every email sent to me but no doubt he'd be following your lead. I'll bow to your superior knowledge on this one.


im not superior , (in fact you know way more about footy than i do) i just don't think he would have the time to answer every email sent to him.

hopefully it is him that responded to you and subsequently may all your dreams come true


It was nothing special. A 2 sentence reply offering an opinion. I doubt his PA offers opinions on his behalf but hey, if you know it definitely wasn't him, I'll bow to your judgement.
I was just giving the club a pat on the back for responding to member interaction. It was nothing more.

The most important aspect is you've let it be known you have a PA and you don't answer emails yourself. She even sends letters with your signature at the bottom!
:thumbsup:


Yep. Now you know my Xmas card to you wasn't sincere.

Next time I need something from Trigg I'll get you to ask seeing as you are close mates.


As I suspected, you made an arse out of yourself again Gro.
Looks like he has some other "mates" here as well. :thumbsup:

As I said, credit to him for engaging the members.

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 8:05 am 
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GOod on him. It's better than the Club not calling. I get why they don't respond to ravings but the email is passionate and measured.

For me the on field decline was foreseeable a few years ago so whilst it is painful and my son is in tears, I see it as inevitable. We effed up a rebuild through appalling list management. But I can deal with it.

Having Edelsten in the box I cannot deal with. A disgraced businessman in the box is a horrible look.

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 8:12 am 
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No one ever calls me :sad:

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 10:25 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Talk talk, all talk hey?

All of them.

Just shut the f up and so something!

I don't listen to the hollow talk anymore.

From all reports, the band on the Titanic were playing superbly too - as the ship sank into the North Atlantic.

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 10:39 am 
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What is his email address -wouldn't mind giving him my 5 cents worth either


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 10:53 am 
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:lol: bv

I'm just happy you have found a friend.

Now get cracking on him giving you the coaches job.

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 11:13 am 
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frank dardew wrote:
What is his email address -wouldn't mind giving him my 5 cents worth either


steven.trigg@carltonfc.com.au or stevetrigg69@hotmail.com - not sure which contact in my address book is which.

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 11:50 am 
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You can't criticise him for following up and calling members who have sent in emails. It would be enough for him to send a generic reply. Let's hope some members who have sent email don't get their knickers in a knot if they don't also receive phone calls.

Actions do speak louder than words though so let's hope there's some changes being made behind the scenes.

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 12:44 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Talk talk, all talk hey?

All of them.

Just shut the f up and so something!

I don't listen to the hollow talk anymore.


Yep.
Heard it all before over the past decade or so.
And yet, here we are again.
I honestly think Trigg gets it, but he's been handed a poisoned challis, and with the Board and our rotted Club culture the way it is, reckon his hands are tied in many ways.

This week is very similar to last year following the embarrassing thrashing at the hands of the Scum.
Everyone made promises to improve and change their attitude..... but what happened ?
We came out the next week and lost to a lowly Melbourne side who'd been thrashed the previous 3 weeks.
Wonder if history will again repeat itself.
That'd surely spell the end of MM.
Nothing surprises me anymore with this mob anymore.

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 1:34 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
What is his email address -wouldn't mind giving him my 5 cents worth either


steven.trigg@carltonfc.com.au or stevetrigg69@hotmail.com - not sure which contact in my address book is which.


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:05 pm 
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Blues21 wrote:
Who gives a shit if he calls anyone in response to a letter or email. That's just lip service and I bet that he is wrapped you have posted this.

It means @#$%&! all when the same people are still there calling the shots, making the same mindless calls and leading us down the same path.

Let's see what he does. Let's see who resigns. Let's see who takes some responsibility.

My money is no one will.


Instead of attacking those who are being proactive, why don't YOU get off your arse and make a meaningful contribution????
This mess ain't gonna be fixed overnight, but they have to start somewhere... Which I think Trigg understands and is doing.

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 9:27 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
Blues21 wrote:
Who gives a shit if he calls anyone in response to a letter or email. That's just lip service and I bet that he is wrapped you have posted this.

It means @#$%&! all when the same people are still there calling the shots, making the same mindless calls and leading us down the same path.

Let's see what he does. Let's see who resigns. Let's see who takes some responsibility.

My money is no one will.


Instead of attacking those who are being proactive, why don't YOU get off your arse and make a meaningful contribution????
This mess ain't gonna be fixed overnight, but they have to start somewhere... Which I think Trigg understands and is doing.


How is picking up the phone & calling a few members being proactive? I tried for years with emails, letters and, yes I even got a few calls. And what happened. @#$%&! all.

Let's see a few people resign. Fall on their swords. Starting with the Board. McKay and all of the coaches.

It's not my job to fix it. I didn't create it.

The club is a steaming pile of shit. We all know it and so do all the other clubs.

Take a look at the crowd at the A Leauge final tonight. The do the same on Sunday.

Just embarrassing.


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 10:01 pm 
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Take a look at the crowd at the A Leauge final tonight. The do the same on Sunday.

Just embarrassing.

You mean the A league SEMI FINAL, a derby between the only 2 Melbourne teams?
Yep let's compare that to a twilight game on Mothers' Day.

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 10:04 pm 
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Weirdo argument isn't it, bizarre really

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 10:07 pm 
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Blues21 wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Blues21 wrote:
Who gives a shit if he calls anyone in response to a letter or email. That's just lip service and I bet that he is wrapped you have posted this.

It means @#$%&! all when the same people are still there calling the shots, making the same mindless calls and leading us down the same path.

Let's see what he does. Let's see who resigns. Let's see who takes some responsibility.

My money is no one will.


Instead of attacking those who are being proactive, why don't YOU get off your arse and make a meaningful contribution????
This mess ain't gonna be fixed overnight, but they have to start somewhere... Which I think Trigg understands and is doing.


How is picking up the phone & calling a few members being proactive? I tried for years with emails, letters and, yes I even got a few calls. And what happened. @#$%&! all.

Let's see a few people resign. Fall on their swords. Starting with the Board. McKay and all of the coaches.

It's not my job to fix it. I didn't create it.

The club is a steaming pile of shit. We all know it and so do all the other clubs.

Take a look at the crowd at the A Leauge final tonight. The do the same on Sunday.

Just embarrassing.


The board, McKay and all the coaches.... So who's left???
Good idea, let's do it
What has tonight's A-league game got to do with our game on Sunday?
Surely it's more relevant comparing it to the game at the G tonight?
I'm not happy with how the club has been tracking for the last few years... But steaming pile of shit?

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