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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 11:51 pm 
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And yet most weeks we win the clearances win the contested possession and have more 1% than the opposition.
They work hard to win the ball its what they do with it when they get it.
Thats not player work rate thats structure and coaching


It's not about work rate ? That's comedy GOLD!!
Do me a favour and watch Jonathan Brown and Gerrard Healy's analysis and absolutely devastating criticism of our players work rate on Friday night (or there lack of), in particular that of our Captain.
These were many of the same players who were laughed off as nothing but 'diwnhill skiiers' by the big Top 4 clubs in the Ratten years.
It's not about having to respond to prove a point. It's about knowing you have to put in that same effort week in week out, not just after a bad loss or after some criticism. That's what many on our current playing list just don't understand, and probably never will.




Like I said in another thread, these bunch of soft xxxxs, may flat rack bully Brisbane unmercifully this weekend and be so "pleased" with themselves will promptly lose the week after against GWS.

When was the last time this club strung together 4 wins in a row.

My god even Richmond has managed to do that recently . :roll:

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 8:40 am 
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Ive got an agreement going with some friends which requires us to win 4 in a row before i go to the footy again. I think I'll have to reduce it to 2, i fear I'll miss a decade of football.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 8:55 am 
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Haven't won more then 4 in a row since 2001.
Sad state of affairs.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 9:17 am 
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jimmae wrote:
It was the same segment bg. ;)

My apologies Jim.
I didnt see the podcast sitting on that page.:)

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 9:20 am 
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Braithy wrote:
lol ... has anyone seen the carlton facebook feed, about this mothers day bring your mum along for free.

the comments section is gold.


"no thanks, I actually love my mum"

"what? so two people can be disappointed for the price of one?"

"Maybe my mum could get a run, she'd do no worse than the flowers playing"

etc etc

:mrgreen::mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 10:12 am 
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billc3 wrote:
We watch the games don't we?
Put ten players around the ball, you win the contested possession...problem is those pesky other coaches....they just don't get it...they keep changing stuff on us...they drop one or two out of the congestion...
See...8or 9 opposition in a crowded contest will still make the ball carrier pressured and dispose of it in a rush to a "contest" where we are outnumbered. ...or if going into our forward line, outnumbered PLUS surrounded by players that can't chase, or poor Ellard who is slow and already rooted.
(Add the fact that we went in with 23/talls/taggers and leave our runners as a sub doesn't help)
Suddenly the ball comes back, across the field where someone has been on their own since the contested ball and we look like we're not running and spreading, and they just run in through the corridor to deliver perfectly to (add forwards name here) and every Carlton supporter goes "gee Rowe is a hack"

PHAAARK..it's been happening non stop since the season started.

..and then there's a a bunch of other fundamental errors ...where do I start. Either the players don't get it, the coach is a dope or both...either way, it's the coaches responsibility.




but but but the players love micky and he's been doing it for 30 years


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 10:22 am 
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C'mon 2 more pages and we are ahead of the essenscum discussion of 272 pages!!!


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 10:57 am 
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after this weekend, we'll put up 10 pages easy, dissecting the tragic state of affairs.


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 11:24 am 
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If Mick had the players behind him, buying into his game plan and playing for him, do you think they would of shown that in a carl v coll game with their coach breaking a record? It was such a big build up.

The players sent a message. Don't be sold on what the players say in interviews, actions speak louder than words.


Correct. And now, in context, Gibbs' comment about sending Mick off on a good note makes a LOT more sense ;-)

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london blue wrote:
C'mon 2 more pages and we are ahead of the essenscum discussion of 272 pages!!!



Sadly I think we might have to put up with micky a little while longer

let’s take a minute and reflect at Mickys coaching legacy at carlton
Millions in wasted funds
Jobs (retirement slush fund) for the boys
Regressed and laughing stock of a club
Wasted /lost memberships millions in gate takings and (future strength of support ?)
Long contracted and overpriced vfl footballers
Lost draft picks (not to mention the majority of our highest leading goal kickers)

Not bad for just over two seasons

On the bright side we can now rebuild

Thanks micky and all the bestn’t

I hope the family and all its inappropriate matters you so wonderfully shared with us and incorporated into our club are the only ones that appreciate all you’re waffling all so privately in the not so distant future


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 12:12 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Haven't won more then 4 in a row since 2001.
Sad state of affairs.



just an unreal statistic... 14 seasons since we won 4 in a row?

we're beyond pathetic.


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 12:34 pm 
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london blue wrote:
C'mon 2 more pages and we are ahead of the essenscum discussion of 272 pages!!!



Sadly I think we might have to put up with micky a little while longer

let’s take a minute and reflect at Mickys coaching legacy at carlton
Millions in wasted funds
Jobs (retirement slush fund) for the boys
Regressed and laughing stock of a club
Wasted /lost memberships millions in gate takings and (future strength of support ?)
Long contracted and overpriced vfl footballers
Lost draft picks (not to mention the majority of our highest leading goal kickers)

Not bad for just over two seasons

On the bright side we can now rebuild

Thanks micky and all the bestn’t

I hope the family and all its inappropriate matters you so wonderfully shared with us and incorporated into our club are the only ones that appreciate all you’re waffling all so privately in the not so distant future


Getting him in was considered dull thinking at the time. Now it looks like it has turned out even worse.
Some of them old threads would make a good read.


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 1:12 pm 
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Mick took the Carlton job to spite McGuire and break the record.


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 1:15 pm 
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Mick took the Carlton job to spite McGuire and break the record.

I'm sure it was on the list of reasons, but not the sole reason.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 1:21 pm 
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I think from memory, Jeanie Pratt doesn't have a high opinion of Mick. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there may be a link with the Pratt's and a Collingwood board member.

The Collingwood guy told Pratt that Mick was damaged goods in 2012 and Jeanie agreed with him. She tried to get Roos as the coach.


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 1:21 pm 
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John James wrote:
Mick took the Carlton job to spite McGuire and break the record.


Many 'Master Coaches' go one Club too much.

Barassi at Melbourne in the 80s (the Sydney job was more for commercial reasons then his coaxing)
Jeans at Richmond in the early 90s
Blight at St Kilda in 2001

Its not that MM took the job to spite people. Its that his ego (and all successful people have a healthy ego) told him that he could make a success of this Club, and he didn't do his homework re. our playing list and Club Culture well enough before taking the job.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 1:27 pm 
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He is different to those examples as he was coaching at Collingwood and he was at the top of his coaching abilities.

He signed the contract under his own duress to be the football director. I have little doubt he felt aggrieved and wanted to show McGuire he had made the wrong choice.


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 1:51 pm 
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Two issues I see:

1. The club has come out after only Round 2 and declared that we are rebuilding. And the Pres stated that 'all players will be looked at' when asked the question re: potential trades. Surely the players hear this and as a result are uncertain of their future at the club in 2016 and beyond. Many have probably already held talks with their management to assess their options.

2. MM has experience no doubt. And preferably you would want an experienced coach leading a rebuild as opposed to an untried coach. However if we are rebuilding the Board would want to dictate terms somewhat - in that they may want to see the kids played or the out-of-contracts played just to see where they are at in order to evaluate their futures. Or they may want to see a certain style of game plan tried and implemented. Or they may want to see our coach playing more of a role as spruiker/ambassador of the club. These are all things that MM may struggle with.

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The club, for its part, would do well to consider its past pattern of coaching appointments. Its devotion to the messiah cult remains undiminished. Barassi, Stewart, Parkin, Walls and Pagan were all brought from outside to produce instant results. To that list the name Malthouse is soon likely to be added. Thus far, the results are a mixed bag.

In thinking long term, and looking for a model, the Blues need look no further than the team on top of the AFL ladder. In 2005, the Hawks took a major risk on a coach with no profile. They accepted a 32 per cent win rate through two seasons of rebuilding, won a flag two years later, and may win another this year. On current indications, it's likely they have a 10-year-plus coach. It's a reward for their courage, conviction and clear thinking.

It was the type of appointment Carlton of the past 50 years would never have made.

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