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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 7:52 pm 
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What frightens me reading these posts is, it seems no one can agree on what our problems are, is it with the board, the leadership, the coach or the players?

Are the realities of our clubs woes so complex its actually a mix of all of the above?

Think you have nailed it Idle.


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 7:53 pm 
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show me a strong on field club with shit off field board. I think they aren't as easy to separate as you make out.


the board scored micky your messiah, his love child, his fitness guru, the draftees of his choice
paid out all expenses and 1 mill salary, they have given him all the assistance and every demand has been fulfilled
so who is inept
the dysfunctional board who has delivered everything your super coach demands or the dysfunctional super coach that can't deliver


Firstly, never said MM was the messiah — a dumb argument is when you put words in someone else's mouth. Just address what I say...not the fantasies you have your hand on.

Secondly, reread what you posted — aren't you saying the same thing - the board is hopeless therefore the appointments they make are hopeless... That's the point really. MM was a terrible choice (obviously now). Letting him run it his way was a terrible decision (obviously now)...But why would anything else this board does be any better? My money is on another @#$%&! up because the top of the club is rotten, the ghosts are howling...and everyone is dithering...seriously until the club's board is strong and clear nothing will change...or if it does it will be temporary...because every decision Carlton makes is a shortcut...and that's been the problem since Pagan (and maybe beyond)...




No I’m not saying the same thing. The board has made changes and adapted when needed unfortunately the advice and final decision has been lacking.
The board have gone and given everything the super coach with a hefty pay packet desires and he fails, how is that the boards fault?
They hired what they thought was a good coach with experience and a good reputation but it hasn’t worked out. They haven’t been negligent at all. On the contrary they have done everything in their power to aid and support that particular decision to succeed.
What I am saying it would be negligent and dumb to continue the association as it has been obvious to many of us for a long time now that he isn’t up to it and quite selfish and arrogant.
How is our board hopeless when it gives its employees every chance to succeed?
The board and its members have copped a lot of flak because of some rumours and innuendo from the know it all crowd and its hangers.
Show me how they are rotten and use us as a play thing as most people on here jump on a band wagon.
They go and try and get the best people (recommended and experienced) so the club can succeed.
They work on those expert recommendations and assist and support those staff members with whatever they require. Is that been hopeless or inadequate?
When the advice and opinion from those is incorrect and misgiving then that would be negligent if they don't correct the situation and keep supporting and not make change like some here refuse to concede.
The board (right or wrong) have made the hard decision firstly to go with un unknown after the disastrous pagan era. Ratten again was made redundant after they thought he could not take the team further, which again was a decision for the better of the club. Micky was bought in and given every chance to succeed but was evident he was spent. Now they have to make another tough decision to break with the secure and bring in someone else.
Like I said the board has gone and made the right decisions at the right time but unfortunately they haven’t exactly been given the right advice at each particular time.


except all these decisions for the betterment of the club - how have they turned out?

In my job if I continually hired the wrong people no matter what my "best intentions" were, and then gave the wrong people all the help in the word (throwing good money after bad?) I would soon not have my job - its not my intention that count - not in the workplace, its the outcomes of my decisions.

So what have been the outcomes of Carlton's decisions since 2000?


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3 coaches (soon to be 4)

0 flags.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 8:01 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Braithy wrote:
to win a prem, you need the best players. jaksch was what, 4th or 5th key defender on the Giant's list? so immediately, hamstrings aside, Jaksch wasn't the best player they had. Yet we somehow thought we could turn him into something? my prediction is, he's a 13cm taller version of Kane Lucas. I'd be stoked if i'm wrong and I'll gladly admit it.

see you in round 20 and we can discuss jaksch and his pea-heart. or not. and whiley's one speed plodding. or not.

shall we?


Wow.

Some of the most clueless stuff we've seen written here.

Virgin Blue type cluelessness.


Haha. Ok hotshot.

I hope I'm wrong... Been around footy for a long time. I'll gladly eat my words.


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 8:08 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
redback wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
redback wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
show me a strong on field club with shit off field board. I think they aren't as easy to separate as you make out.


the board scored micky your messiah, his love child, his fitness guru, the draftees of his choice
paid out all expenses and 1 mill salary, they have given him all the assistance and every demand has been fulfilled
so who is inept
the dysfunctional board who has delivered everything your super coach demands or the dysfunctional super coach that can't deliver


Firstly, never said MM was the messiah — a dumb argument is when you put words in someone else's mouth. Just address what I say...not the fantasies you have your hand on.

Secondly, reread what you posted — aren't you saying the same thing - the board is hopeless therefore the appointments they make are hopeless... That's the point really. MM was a terrible choice (obviously now). Letting him run it his way was a terrible decision (obviously now)...But why would anything else this board does be any better? My money is on another @#$%&! up because the top of the club is rotten, the ghosts are howling...and everyone is dithering...seriously until the club's board is strong and clear nothing will change...or if it does it will be temporary...because every decision Carlton makes is a shortcut...and that's been the problem since Pagan (and maybe beyond)...




No I’m not saying the same thing. The board has made changes and adapted when needed unfortunately the advice and final decision has been lacking.
The board have gone and given everything the super coach with a hefty pay packet desires and he fails, how is that the boards fault?
They hired what they thought was a good coach with experience and a good reputation but it hasn’t worked out. They haven’t been negligent at all. On the contrary they have done everything in their power to aid and support that particular decision to succeed.
What I am saying it would be negligent and dumb to continue the association as it has been obvious to many of us for a long time now that he isn’t up to it and quite selfish and arrogant.
How is our board hopeless when it gives its employees every chance to succeed?
The board and its members have copped a lot of flak because of some rumours and innuendo from the know it all crowd and its hangers.
Show me how they are rotten and use us as a play thing as most people on here jump on a band wagon.
They go and try and get the best people (recommended and experienced) so the club can succeed.
They work on those expert recommendations and assist and support those staff members with whatever they require. Is that been hopeless or inadequate?
When the advice and opinion from those is incorrect and misgiving then that would be negligent if they don't correct the situation and keep supporting and not make change like some here refuse to concede.
The board (right or wrong) have made the hard decision firstly to go with un unknown after the disastrous pagan era. Ratten again was made redundant after they thought he could not take the team further, which again was a decision for the better of the club. Micky was bought in and given every chance to succeed but was evident he was spent. Now they have to make another tough decision to break with the secure and bring in someone else.
Like I said the board has gone and made the right decisions at the right time but unfortunately they haven’t exactly been given the right advice at each particular time.


except all these decisions for the betterment of the club - how have they turned out?

In my job if I continually hired the wrong people no matter what my "best intentions" were, and then gave the wrong people all the help in the word (throwing good money after bad?) I would soon not have my job - its not my intention that count - not in the workplace, its the outcomes of my decisions.

So what have been the outcomes of Carlton's decisions since 2000?


Wooden Spoons

3 coaches (soon to be 4)

0 flags.

They have no hesitation in delisting or trading a player who is not performing why should coaches be any different.
Maybe they should bring in a system where you have a team of coaches and if they don't perform you drop them to the 2's for a while until they improve

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 8:16 pm 
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I hope that Trigg can steer us through this mess, once SOS presents his re build plans (which appears to be 3 years) we can add on another two years to see if we can compete in finals and it just wont serve any purpose signing on a 61 year old man, we will be best served to make the change at years end and appoint a long term coach, I think Mick knows that but he would be happy to take $800k per year for another couple if we are offering :gift:

It looks to me that we are making it very easy for him to retire gracefully so he can leave the game on his terms.


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 8:18 pm 
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I just hope we go through a process and that the panel are not people on the board...Or then again we could just pluck Voss or Bomber Thompson out of thin air....

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 8:20 pm 
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I just hope we go through a process and that the panel are not people on the board...Or then again we could just pluck Voss or Bomber Thompson out of thin air....

You are assuming they won't reappoint Malthouse

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1 - 3 it would take an almighty turnaround surely...

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He's gone... and he knows it

With the board giving up on the list after round 2, I have no doubt that players will treat this season as a gap year.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 8:56 pm 
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Then they should get rid of him quickly, go through an extensive interviewing process and then start planning for next year now.

No need to wait since we are not going to go after any current senior coaches.

Can we interview current assistant during the season?


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 9:19 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
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Players all saying Mick has a lot of passion for the game.
I've heard about 7 or 8 say it now.
Sounds like they have discussed this amongst themselves as a stock answer when asked about Mick and his future

Been coaching for 3 decades just for shits and giggles?

Not saying he's shouldn't accept blame but it's easy to blame one person for all your problems when there's a deep dislike for them... see Tony Abbott

Next year we'll have someone else in charge and I just wonder what the comments on here may be :lol:

Maybe I'm wrong... the new guy may succeed in making Gibbs into a battering ram... 4 times a charm?

Wait until we play a good side. Thank god Essendon* never had a preseason and were stuffed against us. So far we played great teams in tigers, pies, saints, west coast and Essendon*. We might lose by 150 against freo, sydney n hawks at the moment. Lets continue the woeful perfornances, because in mick we trust :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 9:33 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
redback wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
redback wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
show me a strong on field club with shit off field board. I think they aren't as easy to separate as you make out.


the board scored micky your messiah, his love child, his fitness guru, the draftees of his choice
paid out all expenses and 1 mill salary, they have given him all the assistance and every demand has been fulfilled
so who is inept
the dysfunctional board who has delivered everything your super coach demands or the dysfunctional super coach that can't deliver


Firstly, never said MM was the messiah — a dumb argument is when you put words in someone else's mouth. Just address what I say...not the fantasies you have your hand on.

Secondly, reread what you posted — aren't you saying the same thing - the board is hopeless therefore the appointments they make are hopeless... That's the point really. MM was a terrible choice (obviously now). Letting him run it his way was a terrible decision (obviously now)...But why would anything else this board does be any better? My money is on another @#$%&! up because the top of the club is rotten, the ghosts are howling...and everyone is dithering...seriously until the club's board is strong and clear nothing will change...or if it does it will be temporary...because every decision Carlton makes is a shortcut...and that's been the problem since Pagan (and maybe beyond)...




No I’m not saying the same thing. The board has made changes and adapted when needed unfortunately the advice and final decision has been lacking.
The board have gone and given everything the super coach with a hefty pay packet desires and he fails, how is that the boards fault?
They hired what they thought was a good coach with experience and a good reputation but it hasn’t worked out. They haven’t been negligent at all. On the contrary they have done everything in their power to aid and support that particular decision to succeed.
What I am saying it would be negligent and dumb to continue the association as it has been obvious to many of us for a long time now that he isn’t up to it and quite selfish and arrogant.
How is our board hopeless when it gives its employees every chance to succeed?
The board and its members have copped a lot of flak because of some rumours and innuendo from the know it all crowd and its hangers.
Show me how they are rotten and use us as a play thing as most people on here jump on a band wagon.
They go and try and get the best people (recommended and experienced) so the club can succeed.
They work on those expert recommendations and assist and support those staff members with whatever they require. Is that been hopeless or inadequate?
When the advice and opinion from those is incorrect and misgiving then that would be negligent if they don't correct the situation and keep supporting and not make change like some here refuse to concede.
The board (right or wrong) have made the hard decision firstly to go with un unknown after the disastrous pagan era. Ratten again was made redundant after they thought he could not take the team further, which again was a decision for the better of the club. Micky was bought in and given every chance to succeed but was evident he was spent. Now they have to make another tough decision to break with the secure and bring in someone else.
Like I said the board has gone and made the right decisions at the right time but unfortunately they haven’t exactly been given the right advice at each particular time.


except all these decisions for the betterment of the club - how have they turned out?

In my job if I continually hired the wrong people no matter what my "best intentions" were, and then gave the wrong people all the help in the word (throwing good money after bad?) I would soon not have my job - its not my intention that count - not in the workplace, its the outcomes of my decisions.

So what have been the outcomes of Carlton's decisions since 2000?


Wooden Spoons

3 coaches (soon to be 4)

0 flags.


Dannyboy...makes a compelling point.

If it is accepted that Malthouse is the wrong man for the job.....then the board needs to be held accountable for the failed investment.

Given it is the same board that had presided over our demise since 2000, what confidence do we have that it will get the next decision right?

The only hope we have is a relatively new administration. Our future in the hands of Trigg and his new team. :garthp:


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Look, the old fool is gone.

He knows it and now we know it.

He's already building bridges with the Eddie, goes to a function to accept a award and a blow job from Collingwood rather than organise the players before the game.

He's a weak ignorant old prick who's completely [REDACTED] this club over.

The worst thing is, I can't even blame him. That's who he is. It's the useless @#$%&! cauliflower sitting on the board that need the pineapple.

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Goltzenberg wrote:
Wait until we play a good side. Thank god Essendon** never had a preseason and were stuffed against us. So far we played great teams in tigers, pies, saints, west coast and Essendon**. We might lose by 150 against freo, sydney n hawks at the moment. Lets continue the woeful perfornances, because in mick we trust :thumbsup:




this!

we haven't even come close to bottoming out this season. if we show the kind of commitment and desire & the piss poor gameplan we showed friday night (and every other game this year) against a top four 4 team, we have mulitple 100+ point losses in us this season.

after watching the saints and lions on the weekend, the saints have a lot to look forward to, and when hreewoldt & montags come back, they'll be good for another 5 wins. the lions and us ... it's a two horse race for the spoon.

right now and for the rest of the season, it has to be damage control for the young(er) players we have. malthouses gameplan, coupled with playing alongside selfish senior players who have given up and who have always struggled to consistently have heart ... the risk is; irreparable & irreversible damage could be getting done to the future core of the club.

the conundrum is. if we sack Mick (which he deserves), there's not too many out of work coaches in the stocks right now who would take us on for the rest of the year without a guaranteed year or two tacked onto the contract. our coaching future has to come from a process where all the assistants in the comp from winning programs with potential & vision to build a club are interviewed. we need to find the next beveridge or hinkley.

and the cupboard is bare with any chance that one of the assistants could move into the head coaching role to replace mick. those guys are an even bigger part of the problem than what mick is, imo ...


without being dramatic here ... it's hard to escape the fact that we're really screwed here, and to have the season being a write-off after round 5, is only going to be a detriment to the good young players we have.


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 8:00 am 
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who is our coach in the ressies? just read the match report, where he's got those kids playing gut busting committed football.

can we sack mick, and elevate him?


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I'm not particularly worried about playing the good sides. They are all going to treat us as the extra training load/bye week and do just enough to walk away with a 5 or 6 goal win. Blowouts are likely to be teams busting their ass to improve themselves and going 100% every week. So the Dogs, Pies and Crows as an example.

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dannyboy wrote:

except all these decisions for the betterment of the club - how have they turned out?

In my job if I continually hired the wrong people no matter what my "best intentions" were, and then gave the wrong people all the help in the word (throwing good money after bad?) I would soon not have my job - its not my intention that count - not in the workplace, its the outcomes of my decisions.

So what have been the outcomes of Carlton's decisions since 2000?


Wooden Spoons

3 coaches (soon to be 4)

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right or wrong they haven't been idea and are trying to create
has it worked out? no
Then again you can't only pin the ongoing problems to this current board also, the board has also had a few changes since 2000 as you must be well aware of and a few presidents in that time. The have also made staffing changes in administration and recruiting so again they have moved to rectify our lacking in those departments. So the board isn’t always as stagnant as made out most of the time.
What would be negligent of this board is to continue the association with the current coaching staff after giving him three years after all his demands have been met and we have degenerated as an on field team.
Time will tell if this board, ceo and president are the right people for these positions.


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 10:11 am 
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http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/football/players-and-coaches/coaches/matthew-nicks


Couple of posters on BF are claiming they've heard his name mentioned.

Would have to be in the mix if we go through all the right channels.

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