Have I said anywhere the players have nothing to answer for? You go and find that somewhere. Good luck.
The players have been very poor.
What I do take issue is with fools calling players weak and blaming players in their first or second games for the club.
If you want to have a crack, have a crack at our leaders. They should set the standard but by the same token, blame the morons who named the leaders and then took away any leadership development programs to assist them.

Our players lack confidence in each other, themselves and the antiquated game style.

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Begone with your facts.

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Firstly, never said MM was the messiah — a dumb argument is when you put words in someone else's mouth. Just address what I say...not the fantasies you have your hand on.

Secondly, reread what you posted — aren't you saying the same thing - the board is hopeless therefore the appointments they make are hopeless... That's the point really. MM was a terrible choice (obviously now). Letting him run it his way was a terrible decision (obviously now)...But why would anything else this board does be any better? My money is on another @#$%&! up because the top of the club is rotten, the ghosts are howling...and everyone is dithering...seriously until the club's board is strong and clear nothing will change...or if it does it will be temporary...because every decision Carlton makes is a shortcut...and that's been the problem since Pagan (and maybe beyond)...

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

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Well said Braithy. Here's an idea, how about the players take responsibility! Mick Took full responsibility and admits the buck stops with him. It's always the coaches fault... BV I get very animated because I'm trying to make a point.. As the old saying goes, old habits die hard. @#$%&! frustrating!

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Yeah, Mick said he took full responsibility and the next breath he said the players were well prepared. In other words, I have to take responsibility but its not my fault!



You're not the only one frustrated. The club is making the same bullshit mistakes its been making for 15 years.

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incorrect again, like most of your stuff here. effes made a comment and i responded with a pretty detailed post, yet he couldn't answer. so i'm hardly embarrassing myself.

as for you ... hawthorn kicked a robotic, 95% & 88% efficiency in the last two quarters. unprecedented accuracy. even, in the face of that inhuman accuracy, norf never gave up. unlike our players who are taping their ankles up in the room, and have already given up.

so, despite your lack of empirical evidence to suggest i was wrong about north, we're all meant to take your word for it, norf went into their shells because swallow & goldstein got clipped by dirty shots last night? lol

well, i hate to tell you, swallow & goldstein were north's best players, and if it didn't bother them, why would it bother the rest of the team? hawthorn will if they stay healthy this year will win another flag which will make them the best team since the Lions won 4 on the bounce. a rare feat.

it's not a slight on north's efforts and heart they lost to one of the best teams in the last few decades.

our players are weak as piss, and I see more endeavour on a saturday arvy down at my local pub league game. i'm not sure why you have a problem with that, and want to solely blame Mick Malthouse for it. Ratten and pagan before him, all pulled their hair out and were at an odds to explain player performance.

this reinforces the fact our players are all wrong.




haha ... another classic. jaksch & whiley aren't first gamers, hey?

they got a run in an expansion side, and couldn't keep their spot. unlike you, i'll be the first to admit i got it wrong if these two make it.

but they won't. so i'm safe. what have you ever seen from them that tells you they're guns? or they'll make it?

also unlike you, i'll just play the ball here and not the man. your the first guy here to belittle & needle others who disagree with you, yet at the first sniff of a little coming back your way, you cry.

it's all good. it's a forum board. it'd be bland if everyone agrees 100% of the time. call me a fool, call me embarrassing or whatever else you like. knock yourself out if it makes you feel good.

i could care less.

time and only time will prove one of us right and i'm fairly comfortable where i'm sitting.

A detailed post but one chock a block full of errors; no response to the playing list GWS have, no response to the injuries Jaksch had at GWS, no response to the inexperience of Jaksch.

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I was referring to your comment on kicking shit out of the players. Was asking if this meant you thought they had nothing to answer for.

I agree in taking shots at players starting out. Taking a shot at our leaders (we are probably being gracious with that term) is exactly where the heat needs to go and these players need to take some accountability.

Confidence lost or not I don't really care for excuses, I just want to see some effort and desire in the contest. Whether or not they agree with everything that is going on I don't care, effort should be non negotiable.

Thanks for clarifying.

yeah, not really errors at all. you could not answer one question, what kind of player do you see jaksch as? i even gave you a list of 3 player groups for you to slot him in at.

Cripps has inexperience, Cripps has had much more severe injuries than jaksch ... yet everyone with eyes can tell he's a player. Jaksch, not so much.

to win a prem, you need the best players. jaksch was what, 4th or 5th key defender on the Giant's list? so immediately, hamstrings aside, Jaksch wasn't the best player they had. Yet we somehow thought we could turn him into something? my prediction is, he's a 13cm taller version of Kane Lucas. I'd be stoked if i'm wrong and I'll gladly admit it.

see you in round 20 and we can discuss jaksch and his pea-heart. or not. and whiley's one speed plodding. or not.

shall we?

No I’m not saying the same thing. The board has made changes and adapted when needed unfortunately the advice and final decision has been lacking.
The board have gone and given everything the super coach with a hefty pay packet desires and he fails, how is that the boards fault?
They hired what they thought was a good coach with experience and a good reputation but it hasn’t worked out. They haven’t been negligent at all. On the contrary they have done everything in their power to aid and support that particular decision to succeed.
What I am saying it would be negligent and dumb to continue the association as it has been obvious to many of us for a long time now that he isn’t up to it and quite selfish and arrogant.
How is our board hopeless when it gives its employees every chance to succeed?
The board and its members have copped a lot of flak because of some rumours and innuendo from the know it all crowd and its hangers.
Show me how they are rotten and use us as a play thing as most people on here jump on a band wagon.
They go and try and get the best people (recommended and experienced) so the club can succeed.
They work on those expert recommendations and assist and support those staff members with whatever they require. Is that been hopeless or inadequate?
When the advice and opinion from those is incorrect and misgiving then that would be negligent if they don't correct the situation and keep supporting and not make change like some here refuse to concede.
The board (right or wrong) have made the hard decision firstly to go with un unknown after the disastrous pagan era. Ratten again was made redundant after they thought he could not take the team further, which again was a decision for the better of the club. Micky was bought in and given every chance to succeed but was evident he was spent. Now they have to make another tough decision to break with the secure and bring in someone else.
Like I said the board has gone and made the right decisions at the right time but unfortunately they haven’t exactly been given the right advice at each particular time.

I think most of us can agree the leadership at board level is terrible, the sooner we have more board members that are up with the modern game and know how to build a successful organization the better, till then well continue to be mostly shit... SOS role is super important, to be fair looks like he's helped build a good base at GWS, hope we start getting things right recruiment wise, with the cripps, menzel, docherty, jaksch, boekhurst hopefully that's a good start. Still no matter who coaches well be bottom 6 at the least the next couple of years...

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You can recruit Judd, Ablett, Hodge and Fraser Brown and it wouldn't matter if the opposition have a far superior method of play on game day.

You finally did a bit of research on Jaksch. If you read the Jaksch thread in players I see him as similar in style to McPharlin. Yes, 4th or 5th defender at the Giants when you consider Davis, Mohr, Haynes on the list and that they had had more pre seasons than him.

Pea heart? What a warrior you are.

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like i said, we're here to win prems. and we need better than 4th or 5th best KPP's from other teams. otherwise, lets roll the dice and grab a really good kid with our 7th pick and take a chance he'll be the next silvagni or fev.

yeah, if you're comparing me to the current carlton standard, it's not hard to be classified as a warrior. my 9 year old daughter is a warrior compared to most of our list.

they get paid really good money to play hard. as it stands right now, they're robbing us blind.

The thing with Malthouse is he has overseen a toxic culture within the playing group.

Last year Judd & Murphy were effectively making list management decisions by telling players they had no business being at the club post last year.

I don't buy the argument that he creates good cultures. Look at Collingwood with Didak, Shaw and the 4 players who self reported on their second strikes.

we're such a mess.

Have seen enough in spurts from jaksch in the preseason, have faith, he still needs to put in a lot of weight. He'll be a good player don't worry. He's the least of our concerns...

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Wow.

Some of the most clueless stuff we've seen written here.

Virgin Blue type cluelessness.

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

What frightens me reading these posts is, it seems no one can agree on what our problems are, is it with the board, the leadership, the coach or the players?

Are the realities of our clubs woes so complex its actually a mix of all of the above?