I really believe it's not Malthouse's fault, It's so much deeper.

Over the past decade we have had Pagan, Ratten & Malthouse.

Both Pagan & Malthouse are tough uncomprimising coaches with impressive records before they came to Carlton. Ratten a new coach who was more one of the boys. He let them run and play there own game.

Pagan & Malthouse tried to instill a toughness and a finals ready gamestyle that our group simply can't or couldn't handle.

IMO it boils down to not only have we got a poor list but it lacks leadership and a desire to do what it takes. Let's be honest, Murphy, Gibbs, Henderson, Yarran are talented but in comparison to the AFL top players they are soft. Look good when things go our way or against weak opposition but when it comes to a time to stand up they go missing. After 3-4 games Cripps makes them look weak by the way he goes about it. Docherty as well.

So what do we do? Look at our key forward options in Casboult, Jones, Watson. All big units who should have impacts but are mentally soft. Will never make it. Simply don't have the mental tougness.

Look at the players we recruit from other clubs. Jones, Everitt, Warnock, Henderson, Dick, Tutt. All have talent but are soft. Why do you think we keep playing Ellard, Armfield, Curnow? No where near as talented but at least they have a crack. Why do we get excited about Buckley? Has obvious weakneses in his game but he has a go and he's our smallest player. It's embarrassing.

Our key players seem to be introverts. Where our our leaders? IMO Simpson is probably the best. Love the way he goes about it but past his best. Judd leads by example but is quiet.

Really, who do we have???? Where is our Selwood, Hodge or Boak? We don't have even one let alone a group of driven individuals. No wonder we are crap and we don't play for our coaches. We aren't mentally tough enough and IMO we never will be.

Whether MM is still coach next year I don't know but the criticsm of him IMO is over the top. These issues were going on long before he came to the club. The is a reason he looked bereft of answers Friday night. I remember Pagan being the same. The more they push the players the worse they get. They are weak. So what do they do?


It's time to call it for what it is. We are mostly a bunch of soft self centred players that wouldn't get a look in at a top club. Time to cull and bring in players that have not only talent but drive and desire for team success.

What's worse it we play a pathetic Brisbane this week at Etihad. We will win it. We will run free and kick goals and celebrate. Murphy & Gibbs etc will pick up kicks and look like millionaires. The pressure will then go off us for a while. I hope internally it won't.

I really believe it's not Malthouse's fault, It's so much deeper.

Over the past decade we have had Pagan, Ratten & Malthouse.

Both Pagan & Malthouse are tough uncomprimising coaches with impressive records before they came to Carlton. Ratten a new coach who was more one of the boys. He let them run and play there own game.

Pagan & Malthouse tried to instill a toughness and a finals ready gamestyle that our group simply can't or couldn't handle.

It's pretty clear the game has passed the old fella by.

maybe all the things you want (and wished MM had been able to instil) can't happen until the club reflects those very same qualities?

Perhaps we need real leadership from the board, not easy solutions that never work, then we might see a coach (chosen via an intelligent process) have success instilling a fierce, combative, leadership driven playing group and intuitive, strong, relevant game plan...we might see real recruitment strategies, real development of youth...maybe even a semblance of an AFL club, not the old, doddering, senile VFL giant well passed its heydays. We march to the old drums, our nodding heads filled with the old glories, our shriveled chests desperately sending thin blood to a heart teetering on the abyss of death...but hey, MM didn't work, lets just get another bunny to shoot.

So BV, when dies the responsibility fall on the players shoulders??? Mick can't kick a footy for the players, is Mick responsible for Gibbs 0 tackles?

You seem to often be very forgetful but I'll remind you again: Micks last 2 years were as grand finalists, a team that him, his recruiting staff and assistant spent years building, and top 4 in 2009. He comes to our club and the players, like under rattan before him, underperform and go unto their shells when faced with any real pressure. The likes of Judd, Fev, and flashes of brilliance from senior players helped us make the 8 a couple of times. Apart from that we've been royally mediocre.

Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining, we've been having this issue for years, Mick is trying to do what good coaches do and that's support and encourage and screaming for the players to show leadership, the thing is he knows his future is in trouble and his players, like with Ratts are about to end his career, because they're a bunch if disillusioned sooks... What do geelongs leaders do when their season is on the line? They fight, the selwoods, Johnson, bartels respond. We know their not going to win s flag this year but they have to much pride to bend down and take it up the rear.

Again, Mick's last 3 years at the pies, this so called has been had 3 top 4 finishes, when does the spotlight turn to the players, the recruiting staff, football managers etc…

We have sacked 3 coaches in 13 years due to our shit recruiting and culture and soon to be a 4th because our players are weak, carltonized and can't shake their bad habits!!

Seriously give me a coach who will 'redeem' the likes of Gibbs, murph, walker, hendo these players that go missing, give me a coach you think would turn these players into hungry super competitive beasts!!??

Don't know what game you were watching but the North blokes shit themselves after Hodge and Lewis went the knuckle. Ducking their heads, going back half hearted with one arm for marks. Have a look around before going for the ball.
Hodge and Lewis will get a holiday but they changed the course of the game. It was even until that point and Hawthorn kicked away.
I know you like to kick our players but lets not invent stuff to do it. Its not like we need to at the moment anyway.

Go back and have a look Braithy, I'm not the only one who thought you were full of it.
Just admit it, you're wrong…again.

show me a strong on field club with shit off field board. I think they aren't as easy to separate as you make out.

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I'm sorry mate.
Did I ruin your opportunity to kick shit out of the players again?
I don't know what you expect. You made comments, people here have disagreed with your view, thats it.
Even one of the mods said you were embarrassing yourself yesterday.
Apparently thats how these forums work. If you talk shit, you get called to account.

How I see it:

The players have spoken, sack Brittain
The players have spoken, sack Pagan
The players have spoken, sack Ratten
The players have spoken, saclk Malthouse

Stick fat, tell the players to STFU for a change and play some goddamn honest, passionate football for each other or for the overinflated paycheck if nothing else