i think we should consider re-signing MM. he's turned over 25 odd players in the last couple of offseasons, in building his vision for the team. lots of multi dimensional players who can play all over the ground etc ... he's kinda started it, and in many ways should be allowed to finish it. this is most likely the fastest path to us getting back to respectability and competing in finals again?

in saying that ... i'm not opposed to bringing in a new coach, but they'd need a really good plan and a ready-to-implement structure in place which suits the current roster.

none of this we're at 11 o'clock on the prem clock BS ... but an actual plan. that isn't a powerpoint preso.


Watching old mate what's his-face at the Bulldogs and hinkley have immediate success with squads we genuinely thought we were ahead of, gives me hope there's coaches out there who can turn us around in a really short space of time.

knowing our board and admin level and the way they all bumble & fumble around, i have zero faith they'll find said coach.

we're screwed.

2 time assistant midfield premiership coach at Hawks.
One thing we had at Carlton was a midfield that could extract the ball. Once regarded as an A grade midfield before Murphy and Carrots got crunched. How things have changed.
The head coach doesn't do the development. He employs assistant coaches to assist with that aspect.
Stupid argument.

Malthouse told the club the coaching structure he wanted.
Thats why will lost Brown and Richardson

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Malthouses best asset imho is the ability to pick players with the right character. Guys like Bower, Lucas etc would not have lasted nowhere near as long.. Malthouse knows when to cut someone loose and bring in another foot soldier. CHOP!!

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If Mark Thompson put his hand up to coach our club and said he would also like to get some young assistant coaches as well as make one his apprentice to take over one day would you prefer that?

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depends.

will he have a "supplement" program install for us?

If the club is rebuilding, like it says, they won't reappoint Mick.

You don't pay $800 k plus to a coach when you are rebuilding. You hire someone like the 2IC at Hawthorn on around $500 k and you can use the $300 k saving to hire another assistant or development coach. You only hire someone like Malthouse and Thompson when you are in a window.

The new football department cap means you have to be frugal to a degree and allocate wages more smartly. Paying a coach $1 million chews that up.

I agree that mm would have taken the strengths of the ratten list and moulded and developed it with much more skill and results than ratten did. So that we would be in much better shape now.
But i dont think it was so much all rattens fault , more that he was in control of a very thin list with a bunch of fit young developing stars sprinkled through it. The depth of his list was still a direct result from the mismanagement of the eliott years and the following penalties under collins. Recruiting was reactionary and short term.

I admit that i am very disappointed in our leadership group so far this year. Rather than take a step forward, they appear to have regressed. Murphy, Gibbs, Rowe, Henderson. Jamison . Then the " injury free" start to the season, has been anything but. Walker, Thomas, Kreuzer, sheehan, white, jaksch, whiley. Add the yarran brain fade, and we havent had the real carlton step up yet
There are some positive signs
Murphy turning it around
Henderson ditto
We are getting closer to getting our injuries back
Cripps and byrne have surprised to the upside in their develoment
Smith has shown that he was an inspired choice
Dochertys continued development
Tuohy appears to be over his second year blues

With a few of these factors turning our way, we might just see a different blues performance in the near future and that, may change the whole complexion of the malthouse contract issue.

How can someone be labeled as non progressive when he's lasted for over 3 decades?

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David Parkin was the most progressive coach of all and he admits the game eventually passed him by.
No one is exempt.

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Malthouse was still winning premierships and booking GF spots long after he exceeded parkins total games coached. This fact alone refutes your argument

Am I missing something here. Didn't Malthouse take over the Ratten list and send us backwards

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How exactly does that refute my argument?
Parkin knew the game had passed him by within 5 years of winning a flag. The difference is his ego allowed him to move on.

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ah ... i was just being revisionary.

Malthouse took over ratten's list, yes. but that list was a mess. A bunch of c-graders an ageing key defender but no other KPP and a broken down 1st pick ruck who was ran into the ground.

if mm had – like ratten did – an in his prime murphy, judd, jamo and a fev along with a healthy kruez to work with, along with the drafting and list building he's already done in the last two seasons ... we'd be right up there or thereabouts, imo.


i dare say malthouse would have made better footballers out of murphy & gibbs too had he'd had them straight outta the draft.

I reckon Malthouse would've had us playing finals if he'd had Ratten's list.

BV What you and a lot of blues fans on this forum seem to so easily forget are a number of different points and logic that you just can't see...

1. Malthouse has never been a 'quick fix' coach. He has always built teams over time and gradually. Surely you can see that if you research. Collingwood bottomed out in 2005, picked up some good
players then went finals, top 4, finals, top 4 and his LAST 2 YEARS a premiership and 2nd.

2. You never mentioned Ratts recruiting and development record: how many gems in there?? We picked up bower, Davies, Kerr, McCarthy , Mitchell, bootsma, Benjamin, Lucas, Joseph, only good things Ratts did recruitment was an established star in Judd who was brought in by the pratts, yarran with pick 6. Garlett as a rookie, most of our other senior players were established from the pagan days... Our recruiting was pathetic.

2b. I believe the recruiting of cripps, menzel, docherty, jaksch, boekhurst, everitt, whiley, and the development of Buckley, bell will help us improve and from possibly dipping towards wooden spoon
territory talent wise. Too early to call on tutt, jones and Thomas considering the injury he was coming back from.

3. The board: if you should he criticizing anyone it's the shambles of a board we have, it's improving
but still so far off the rest of the comp. You say Mick sends mixed messages? Mick had always been
forthright that he wants us to win every week and have a red hot crack. When mick said we were at
11oclock, he did mention that there were prob 7-8 clubs also competing hard for a finals berth. And you armchair critics miss that. As it turns out we lost something like 9 games by less than 2 kicks last year as well.

4. Mick's record: Mick record speaks for itself, 3 flags overall, 4 grand finals during his time at coll,numerous succesful rebuilds. And the players love him.

You make some logical points BV but when analyzing your posts on here it just appears that you just don't like grumpy Mick, he offends you, again he is a coach who Won a flag and came 2nd then joined Carlton 12 months later. suddenly he lost all his abilities because he gas a few grey hairs.

Is that what you're saying BV??

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I'll call it now. Mick will get a 2 year extension. Based on nothing more than a gut feel.

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Pretty sure it was Malthouse who recruited Davies, Bower and Benjamin.

It was Ratts recruiting department, the likes of Rogers and Hughes who recruited them.

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