Which is something I've never seen you do on TC, ever, about anything, over and over again, you never complain.

Not you. Not every second post about every single thing that little grey squishy thing in your skull can think of.

That's not your style. Nup, not you.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Oh I'm sorry...
Madhouse, Strangelove blah blah blah.
Carry on.

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James Hird and Essendon* FC - #FOREVERDRUGCHEATS

If given the time, and a chance Malthouse will take this club forward. As we
Build our list and still have some experience we won't be too far away.
Need confidence and time, unfortunately we peaked and were in the mist Of rejuvenating our team.

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tbf to mick ... our list now (the youth & picks coming through) is much better than at any time under ratten

if mick had a healthy kruezer and an in his prime judd and a key forward like fev ... we'd be right up the ladder.

So you're saying our list is much better now but we'd be better off with some of Rattens list?

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no i'm saying mick would have much greater (short term) success had he inherited the same list ratten did. mick would have also continued building on that list (long term success), rather than the black hole in recruiting & development ratten left us in.

imo, that's where MM's strength is, recruiting footballers and developing picks into footballers.

it'll take years to rebuild our depth after ratten. we haven't even filled the holes of not drafting a key forward since kennedy, and now with jamison suddenly looking his age, we're in hot need a key defensive player too.

add that to needing a ruckman, outside run & carry and replacing judd ... and we're still years off a balanced squad with still no depth.

where malthouse lets us down is his gameday coaching. looks like players still aren't sure what they're doing 3 years into his coaching. also his gameplan is outdated. he's not going to beat the teams playing hard modern footy like the hawks, swans, port, crows and now by the looks of it, the dogs too.

Thinking back, Fev cost us big time. Put him in the team vs WC in 2011 SF and we win. May not have beaten Geelong that year, but we did have form against them at the time. Thanks Fev.

Blue Vain, why don't you tell us more about rats remarkable development skills. Tell us about the young kids he recruited and development since when he started. Go on brainiac share with thee your humble wisdom

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Corinthians 9:6- 8

Bower Power !!!!!

Marcus Daviezzzz


Bring back the old days !

Humble wisdom?

I don't claim to be wise No.1Blue, I just have a different view to yours. If you want the same views as yours all the time, why don't you start a Talking Sychophants page?
For the record and I repeat, I don't think Ratten was a very good coach. His match day coaching was questionable at best and his communication skills were very poor. His training drills were very good but a senior coach requires much more than that.
But that doesn't mean I have to love Malthouse. Its not just a choice between the two. Why is it anyone who disapproves of Malthouse therefore loves Ratten in your simple view?

For the record, I wanted the club to interview all available candidates and make an informed decision. Is that so far fetched?
As for Malthouse, I don't doubt he was a good coach in his day but his day is over IMHO. All great coaches have a use by date and his has come. Parkin, Hafey, Jeans etc. They were great coaches but it doesn't last. Mick has shown he struggles to counter opposition tactics on game day. When that happens its the end.

Is that so hard to comprehend?

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This is where a modern day coaching structure is possibly lacking.

Have we the right coaches in the right coaching roles...tactical, skills, etc... ?

I think Malthouse is great at building a list and moulding them into a team.
I am open to the possibility that he may no longer be a great match day coach and that he is not up with the current coaching best practice. Although, I suspect he is quite capable of morphing (again) - his 2010 Pies pioneered crazy forward pressure and that was only a few years back...

However, one of the main reasons I think we should sign him up for another 2-3yrs is that I have very little confidence in our current leaders to select the best new coach. And the risk of stuffing up another 3-5yrs until we work out whether a new coach is the right coach is too great. MAYBE if they poach an existing coach, whether it be Ross Lyon or one of the Scott brothers. However, we have tried picking the 'best' coach before and, as above, I'm not sure we have the expertise to differentiate between who is 'seen' as the best and who will be the best for us. For examaple, I reckon given the choice b/w Ayers and Clarkson, we'd have chosen Ayers. Given the choice between Hinkley and Eade, we would have picked Eade. We'd pick Neil Craig instead of Luke Beveridge. We would never have picked Phil Walsh.

I could be proven wrong - we have made a lot of changes at the top. I'm just not convinced yet.
So, I'd sign up Malthouse for another 2 years and challenge him to finish what he's started. Then, in 2yrs time, re-evaluate both his performance and we would also have a clearer picture of how the club is being run - do we really have an aligned understanding about where we are headed? Are people on the Board and in the right roles at the club for the right reasons?

That's an interesting post 17th'. When would you re-sign him? (In other words would this years results be a factor in this?).

So you think we should re-sign Malthouse because you have zero faith in our management to select the right coach?
Even though you are "open to the possibility that he may no longer be a great match day coach and that he is not up with the current coaching best practice."

I appreciate your view 17th, but does that not tell you how far we have fallen? Accepting those elements of mediocrity have significantly contributed to our current malaise. We've now been conditioned to accept sub standards outcomes.

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No use re-signing him if we're not prepared to assist him with good line coaches.

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“I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” ― Richard Feynman

What if we re-signed Malthouse with Ratten and Laidley as the main assistants, then got all new line coaches for ruck, defence and forwards?

I think everybody would be on-board with that, except maybe Ratten.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I think we need guys like Cox, Scott Thompson/Enright (when they retire) and even someone like Cameron Ling. Get some successful recent players in.

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Koperek.

I don't think Ling is serious about coaching or he'd have picked up an assistant job last year; pass.

Cox maybe but his strength was his mobility; Thompson no, Enright maybe but if we scored Ratten and Laidley the last thing we'd want is a midfield coach.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Good, young ambitious assistant/line coaches won't come to Carlton. They want roles that develop and improve their skills. Mick wants cone movers and ball gatherers. Even when his wife was sick he wouldn't hand the reins to one of the assistants.
He's resistant to good ambitious line coaches. Not the club.
We need a progressive coach who embraces the future, not the past.

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