Joke of a thread...
Let's trade Henderson also....
Let's build around our core group, then bring in talent from the draft, going to take 4/5 years, people just jump at the first thing they hear from flog journalists...
David king, another flog, carlton should trade Henderson, kidding yeah??? Only decent tall we have, don't even think of trading those types...
Just use the draft and be patient..
Will end up with a top 4 pick this year and next..
It's the dregs that need to go, Armfield etc.....

Why is it a joke of a thread?

We're a club on it's knees, we have to improve our list and we may have to make a sacrifice or two... for the right deal that is.

I watched the Dawks almost pinch a win from 8 goals down last night and what struck me the most was their desire, their intent and willingness to put body's on the line to get back into the game.

Then you watch players like Gibbs jogging around doing just enough to earn a pay check and I'm staggered as to why he's defended on here.

I support the Jumper and every player that bleeds for it... everyone needs to contribute or try you luck elsewhere.

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“I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” ― Richard Feynman

Well said, or maybe we are just a bunch of flogging flogs!?

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Problem is, how much of the next 4 years of his contract will be have to pay. Remember, we just signed him to a 5 year contract so we may be paying some the next 4 years to trade him.

Trading any of our good players has to be for our benefit... not just for the sake of trading them.

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“I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” ― Richard Feynman

Commentators talking about a fire sale of trading our best players for speculative draft picks in the high teens and low twenties is utterly ridiculous! our leadership group may be weak but they are the best we've got, we need good strong tough leaders to rise above the likes of Murph and Gibbs (early days but Cripps is looking like a great leader in the making with his desire around the contest). We need to nail our draft picks and hopefully find some diamonds in the rough. SOS's knowledge of the GWS list could be useful here.

Saints have gone down this path of trading off players for picks in the early twenties and as far as I can see the good talent they have isn't from any of these draft picks (I know it is still early days), but from picks they naturally would have had anyway and some bargain picks like Longer and Bruce they got by giving up very little.

None of this works unless you select well.

If SOS is a bust we are cooked.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Yep!!!!

if we could get a talent like Hombsch for sweet FA like Port did that would be a great start. We will likely end up with a top 4 pick this year, this absolutely needs to be nailed. I really like the pick 7 trade of last year, I like the look of Jaksch and hopefully Whiley and Boekhorst can come on, there is likely still some more talent on that list that can be attained for very little. I'm not confident but we aren't starting from ground zero, if we select right (and that's a big IF) we do have some sort of foundation to work with.

If a player like Gibbs played for the Hawks I don't think he would be judged as harshly because he wouldn't be considered a leader just a very good midfielder with very good skills

I hope we do a similar deal with pick 4 that we did with Jaksch this year.

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Do GWS have any more cherries ?

I think they do. If they didn't lose Boyd to the doggies last year then I doubt McCarthy would even be playing and he's the equal top goal kicker in the league this year. It's a tough team to break into for a young kid.

Not sure about trading a top 4 pick this year though, it worked last year I think because there was very little difference between pick 7 and 19 to start with no standouts. depends whether there are legitimate standouts at that pick (which there wasn't last year at pick 7). We could hopefully shake a few loose with a 3rd r or 4th round pick (unless Shiel or Treloar are in the picture as they would obviously cost much more). Good young talent not getting an opportunity are who we should be looking very closely at (and I think we would be with SOS at the helm - he should have some very good intel on the kids on that list)

I'd rather cherry pick the eventual fire sale at Gold Coast.

Gorringe/Dixon/Nicholls/Smith is an unsustainable set up and we need a ruckman. Preferably in that order.

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I think there's better options outside the AFL right now.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

We ll use the same logic that should ve warned us to stay away from Hughes and Rogers.
The Freo they were in charge of was a joke.
They then came across and did the exact same with us.
GWS is doing just fine, so looks like SOS could be THE MAN!!

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We've gone over that - there really isn't (outside of your idea of throwing money at Sandilands on a 2 year deal when we're not challenging).

Point being that if we traded pick 4 for one of the above rucks, Gold Coast's second pick and a Whiley-esque spare parts player like Lonergan or Sexton, I'd rather it to just keeping pick 4. (generally - too early to call on the draft pool available yet).

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I agree, I doubt we would be going after players with our first pick in mind (unless Shiel or Treloar involved). Top four pick is a great opportunity to pick an elite talent, last years draft was an unusual one with no standouts at our pick. if we went after those suns players mentioned, offers would be made with lower picks and our first pick would be completely off the table

what do you mean?

I'd rather invest 2 years in a prospect like Darcy Cameron than Gorringe or Dixon, and I certainly wouldn't accept anyone other than Dixon as more than steak knives, thus it'd be a pretty narrow pick swap.

I also don't see talls as being the strength of GC's list. Their strength right now is the talent in defensive run, and their midfield, but they don't utilise either properly. Up forward it's Dixon, who I think is an athletic hack who might come good, and Lynch, who is a star in the making.

Look elsewhere and get in Lynch's ear with a hefty contract number.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.