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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:00 am 
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Menz was all luck.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:25 am 
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I think you may find it was Andrew Mckay that was keen to draft Cripps.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:31 am 
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How do we know what the circumstances were?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:31 am 
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emtwenty wrote:
Menz was all luck.


The player was available at our pick, he selected him.
No luck involved

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:39 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Menz was all luck.


The player was available at our pick, he selected him.
No luck involved



Luck of him falling to us.

Rogers gets credit for taking the risk. But if not for the knee, Menz would've been gone top 5.

With Cripps - that's where Rogers deserves praise because at the time people said it was a reach. Should've taken Dunstan etc they said.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:55 am 
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Players can't "fall" to clubs.
The reality is the clubs with picks before us assessed all the contributing factors and selected other players first. They could have chosen Menzel and decided not to.
Rogers picked the best player available at our pick. It was Menzel. Thats it.
Trying to take the credit away from him is poor form.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:03 am 
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No, taking credit away from Rogers would be saying McKay was behind the decision to pick Cripps.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:03 am 
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No, taking credit away from Rogers would be saying McKay was behind the decision to pick Cripps.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:18 am 
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McKay may deserve some kudos for recommending Cripps, I wouldn't have a clue but Rogers still made the call. No doubt Rogers gets plenty of recommendations and suggestions from his staff but in the end, I'd suggest he is the one who takes responsibility.
Same with Menzel. Rogers did his homework and he was the one who had the courage to select him.
There's no luck in that. It's good recruiting.

It's disappointing the club couldn't come up with a structure to retain his services.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:17 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
McKay may deserve some kudos for recommending Cripps, I wouldn't have a clue but Rogers still made the call. No doubt Rogers gets plenty of recommendations and suggestions from his staff but in the end, I'd suggest he is the one who takes responsibility.
Same with Menzel. Rogers did his homework and he was the one who had the courage to select him.
There's no luck in that. It's good recruiting.

It's disappointing the club couldn't come up with a structure to retain his services.


The higher you go with the picks, the more consensus is at play. You have to look at the entire picture rather than one or two selections in isolation. Everybody looks at early selections but the hard work is done later on.

Blue Vain wrote:
Players can't "fall" to clubs.

Now you are talking like me.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:42 pm 
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I think the hard work is done across the board Paf; you need to try and rank the players talent levels overall, then you need to start picking through at similar talent levels to identify what works for your club and philosophies.

There is a threshold that people can't be bothered quantifying, where you will take the player regardless of list position. Some like to say top 3, I think the margin is wider than that. I think the clubs that @#$%&! it up with top picks generally think it's a narrow margin.

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