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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:06 am 
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The guy we select thru an extensive interview process:)

Hopefully the next clarko.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:53 am 
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Who is ?

The guy we select thru an extensive interview process:)

Hopefully the next clarko.

Whoever that may be would need bucket loads of self belief. Carlton has become the Coach Killing Fields.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:36 am 
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Id say Bomber or Rootsy mentoring Hayes or Ling or Voss for a year or 2.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:46 am 
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murraycray wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
murraycray wrote:
Who is ?

The guy we select thru an extensive interview process:)

Hopefully the next clarko.

Whoever that may be would need bucket loads of self belief. Carlton has become the Coach Killing Fields.

not really. Signed pagan for 5 years. I think he got sacked in hìs 4th or 5th year. Ratten coached 5 seasons. parkin retired after he left before majority of the list retired following season or two. Brittain come in at a bad time and they went with pagan for yet again experience. So i dont see your point.

The next coach that comes in needs to be able to develop multiple game plans to be tailored against opposition trams, actually review game tapes and get the players motivated to play each wk. I think any coach that does that wont need to worry too much about their job as they will be competitive and showing results


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:04 am 
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For Malthouse to complain about the treatment he is receiving from the media is so hypocritical on his behalf given how he treats them and shows what an ego he has and how he is passed it.
What annoys me is that nearly all press about the club is about whether MM should coach us in 2016 and beyond and distracts from other issues the club must face now.

The writing was on the wall when the powers to be at the pies cut a deal to hand the reigns over to Buckley and satisfy MM's monster opinion of himself by giving him some wanky madeup job that he ultimately did a back flip on. They new he was finished as a coach. Why didnt we. Because our board is flower stupid. That's why.

We have the highest paid player at the club who was given this honour because Mick loves him and in the process better players like Betts left the club.
MM is responsible for getting Wood who I must say is better than I thought he would be but still clearly a hack compared to the better ruckman in the comp when we had better options in recruiting a ruckman as a rookie in the WAFL and SANFL in particular Baulderstone from Norwood who I rate highly.

Our coach gets a 3 million 3 year contract then proceeds to travel the country to promote is book about himself thinking the list is good enough to win a flag.
When questioned he talks in riddles and makes no sense.
In short piss him off

I'd suggest Murphy or Gibbs would be the club's highest earner, but Judd held that mantle until this season.




I don't think so. Anyway Thomas averaged $2070 a possession last year( 700000/338) which included turnovers missed shots at goal and cheap and easy stats in the back half towards the end of the season.

Soooooooo overrated by everyone except Mick


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:35 am 
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I feel like Mick is the new Jordan Russell.

Our head of football wasn't prepared to pay overs for Betts & couldn't fit him into the salary cap? Malthouse's fault.


So it was McKay who made that decision? Is that right?
I'd suggest you wouldn't have a clue who made that decision. There's your screwy. :screwy:

As for it being overs, Why don't you ask the rest of the world who's getting better value. Adelaide out of Eddie or Carlton out of Daisy.


Be reasonable and just leave the emotion aside BV, its far too early to make a call on Daisy v Eddie.

Daisy came off a limited pre season last year and, surprise, surprise, was clicking towards the end of last year before injury ruled him out last few games. Hold your fire until you see how he goes later this year and the next few. Remember, in a club totally bereft of leadership, he'll be very handy in the years ahead. He was widely ranked as in the AFL's top 3 players in 2011, and I seriously doubt Eddie will ever get to that level.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:00 am 
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Blues Clues wrote:
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I feel like Mick is the new Jordan Russell.

Our head of football wasn't prepared to pay overs for Betts & couldn't fit him into the salary cap? Malthouse's fault.


So it was McKay who made that decision? Is that right?
I'd suggest you wouldn't have a clue who made that decision. There's your screwy. :screwy:

As for it being overs, Why don't you ask the rest of the world who's getting better value. Adelaide out of Eddie or Carlton out of Daisy.


Be reasonable and just leave the emotion aside BV, its far too early to make a call on Daisy v Eddie.

Daisy came off a limited pre season last year and, surprise, surprise, was clicking towards the end of last year before injury ruled him out last few games. Hold your fire until you see how he goes later this year and the next few. Remember, in a club totally bereft of leadership, he'll be very handy in the years ahead. He was widely ranked as in the AFL's top 3 players in 2011, and I seriously doubt Eddie will ever get to that level.


Daisy 1 year top 3 AFL (just Collingwood hype) vs Betts who challenges to be All Australian forward pocket every year? We don't need Thomas and we didn't need to waste elite money on a B grader.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:10 am 
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scottopee wrote:
Blues Clues wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
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I feel like Mick is the new Jordan Russell.

Our head of football wasn't prepared to pay overs for Betts & couldn't fit him into the salary cap? Malthouse's fault.


So it was McKay who made that decision? Is that right?
I'd suggest you wouldn't have a clue who made that decision. There's your screwy. :screwy:

As for it being overs, Why don't you ask the rest of the world who's getting better value. Adelaide out of Eddie or Carlton out of Daisy.


Be reasonable and just leave the emotion aside BV, its far too early to make a call on Daisy v Eddie.

Daisy came off a limited pre season last year and, surprise, surprise, was clicking towards the end of last year before injury ruled him out last few games. Hold your fire until you see how he goes later this year and the next few. Remember, in a club totally bereft of leadership, he'll be very handy in the years ahead. He was widely ranked as in the AFL's top 3 players in 2011, and I seriously doubt Eddie will ever get to that level.


Daisy 1 year top 3 AFL (just Collingwood hype) vs Betts who challenges to be All Australian forward pocket every year? We don't need Thomas and we didn't need to waste elite money on a B grader.


Time will tell. Anyway, nice to have a "B grader" on our list who has at least played in a premiership team.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:11 am 
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I have always thought Eddie was an underated player, used as the worlds shortest CHF when we were down and out, excellent pressure and positive influence on many youngsters given that he really appreciated what footy had given him. I don't like committing huge money on guys with serious injuries and i've always wanted us to draft great players rather than buy them in at premium rates when they have gone just beyond their peak. Putting injury concerns aside tho no-one could doubt that at his peak Daisy is a wonderful courageous player. Anyone with any doubts should watch the 2010 gf draw. Without Daisy the saints would have clearly won (not sure if he can be forgiven for that!). While Swan and Pendles went missing Daisy single handedly fought ag the Sts comeback. At his best he is very good, but we have not seen, and may never, see him at his best. Also you need to be a contender while he is at his best, don't think that is going to happen


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:24 am 
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gerry atric wrote:
I have always thought Eddie was an underated player, used as the worlds shortest CHF when we were down and out, excellent pressure and positive influence on many youngsters given that he really appreciated what footy had given him. I don't like committing huge money on guys with serious injuries and i've always wanted us to draft great players rather than buy them in at premium rates when they have gone just beyond their peak. Putting injury concerns aside tho no-one could doubt that at his peak Daisy is a wonderful courageous player. Anyone with any doubts should watch the 2010 gf draw. Without Daisy the saints would have clearly won (not sure if he can be forgiven for that!). While Swan and Pendles went missing Daisy single handedly fought ag the Sts comeback. At his best he is very good, but we have not seen, and may never, see him at his best. Also you need to be a contender while he is at his best, don't think that is going to happen


I agree. daisy at his best was an A grader (and i think made Swan the player everyone else loved, cos Daisy would often do the hard defensive running back, man the mark, hassle, etc.

Will he ever get to that elite level? I doubt it...but that is different to saying he was not...he was. Easily. At his best I would take him over Murph or Gibbs (at their best). he can play the back flanker role, the on baller, the wing, the hit up forward/ defensive forward role and so on.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:42 am 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
murraycray wrote:
Who is ?

The guy we select thru an extensive interview process:)

Hopefully the next clarko.


..gotta get the next dunstall on the board first.. ..a kennet as prez would help too..

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:06 pm 
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The precedent paying Thomas big money is players like Henderson test their market price with other clubs. He sees Thomas getting paid plus 600 k and says I'm not going to get that at Carlton, let's see what I can get elsewhere.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:34 pm 
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Oh what other clubs are paying big money? Or do you think Carlton players only think about what happens at Carlton?

I love the twists and turns to make square pegs fit into round holes.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:41 pm 
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The precedent paying Thomas big money is players like Henderson test their market price with other clubs. He sees Thomas getting paid plus 600 k and says I'm not going to get that at Carlton, let's see what I can get elsewhere.


If every single team was on exactly the same TPP it wouldn't be a problem. Players would get exactly what they're worth.

But when you allow some to have more than others, they can then pick your 'B grade' players to have as spares.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:50 pm 
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The precedent paying Thomas big money is players like Henderson test their market price with other clubs. He sees Thomas getting paid plus 600 k and says I'm not going to get that at Carlton, let's see what I can get elsewhere.


..precedent was set when we chased an untried ruck and gave him four years at four hundred grand a year..

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:52 pm 
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The precedent paying Thomas big money is players like Henderson test their market price with other clubs. He sees Thomas getting paid plus 600 k and says I'm not going to get that at Carlton, let's see what I can get elsewhere.


..precedent was set when we chased an untried ruck and gave him four years at four hundred grand a year..

Time to make a stand then

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..sure, but I genuinely doubt Hendo is trying to drag out as much cash as possible from the club.. ..even though it's what all 'stars' of the club have done..

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The precedent paying Thomas big money is players like Henderson test their market price with other clubs. He sees Thomas getting paid plus 600 k and says I'm not going to get that at Carlton, let's see what I can get elsewhere.


..precedent was set when we chased an untried ruck and gave him four years at four hundred grand a year..

Time to make a stand then


Elliot tried that and it sent us broke.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:58 pm 
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..sure, but I genuinely doubt Hendo is trying to drag out as much cash as possible from the club.. ..even though it's what all 'stars' of the club have done..


Hendo is a loyal person and I think he is 'Carlton'

On the open market he would get a big contract. Geelong are into him and I think he may have even gone to school there. With our onfield prospects questionable in the next few years, he may expect a pay rise rather than play elsewhere for success.

This is why Malthouse should be told he won't be coaching us next year. Who knows what he is telling the players but the indecision from the board has created a club who may have a plan but is wishy washy on who will lead it. Players can sense this.


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This is baseless speculation now; what hopefully is happening at the club is that everyone in the FD is coming together along with the corporate and financial teams to talk about what they can offer the existing player group and incoming players.

Not just salaries, add-ons and structure of contracts, but also what we can do with our financial capital to improve our football-related assets to better market ourselves to players. We spent all that cash on facilities, but without the right minds continuously coming in to steer that, we just fall behind, and then play catch-up again.

And of all the people surrounding the club right now, I'm least worried about Malthouse as a Machiavellian figure. ;)

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