I remember the Sydney final of 2010. Judd was incredible. Nearly won it off his own legs. There was another big fella that announced himself that night, too .

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Who else is there to do the job? many coaches. How did Clarkson get a gig? How did hinkley get a gig? How did longmire get a gig? Roos? Lyon? They were given an opportunity to show theyre skills.

The only reason mm stays is if you think he has the players behind him, proven game plan being implemented and puts the club first before his own interests.

To me he has not achieved any of that criteria.

I would much rather sit back for a few yrs with a new coach, new face, new voice and if we continue to loss fine. What l dont accept is paying a guy 1 mil a yr to deliver a losing record and not achieve any of the above criteria knowing my membership money is going to that flog.

I think the club has lost its marbles if he stays beyond this yr. I dont think he could win a flag in the modern game with hawthorn. He would scrap their gameplan to play his 35 yo predictable gameplan. Hopefully he retires after round 5. Get the record and flower off

..a few actually.. ..hendo played well in his first year for us at chef in the final, and walker snagged a few goals when switched forward for the match as well.... ..and knockers too sucked us in so much we thought Jacobs was surplus.. ....although it was probably too late by the time of that final to undo the mess we made regarding Jacobs..

..talent i.d isn't our strong suit..

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Yeah sure. 14 wins, 7 losses. All off the back of one player.

Let's pretend Marc Murphy didn't win the B&F and wasn't awarded player of the year by the AFL coaches. Not to mention All Australian honours.
Or what about Eddie Betts who was an All Australian nominee?
What about 2009 where we won 13 games. All off the back of one player?
Give me a break.

In 2011 Gold Coast had arguably the best player of all time playing for them.
All Australian captain Gary Ablett. Do you know where they finished? Stone motherless with 3 wins. Anyone who thinks one player can be the difference between mediocrity and finals is dreaming.

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no, just one of the best clubs over the last 7-8 years thought he could add something

looks like they were right

beat me to it

the only thing I would change is there is no way he will retire

the only way I see him going before the end of the year is by force,

just like a little kid been dragged out of the shops by his embarrassed mother

My issue with MM is he thinks he can do it on his own.
Football departments are not like that everyone and everything has to be on the same page.
Line coaches; development coaches; fitness; dietician; doctor; recruiting :
All working as one all guided as one.
Mick if he stays needs to surround himself with the best available talent guide them and work to a plan.
Micks input should be more manageable than coaching.
But he appears to old school for that

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Don't think Trigg agrees.
Massive backdown from him today.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mick-malthouse-my-wife-has-been-in-tears-over-scrutiny-20150422-1mqjzm.html

I've been happy to let Mick do his thing (always happy to let a new coach put their stamp on a team and happy to accept it takes time) and there are things about his time there that I can see are improvements (along with areas in which we appear to be going backwards) but even allowing for context that article is a shocker.

Looks like he's well aware his contract isn't going to be renewed and he's now thrown the wife in front of the media bus as an extra defence.

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If we dont win the next two games and the media really starts turning the heat up. I can imagine him tossing it in to protect his families stress levels.

By the sounds of things the club would be happy with that. The junk yard dog to take over for the rest of the year.

Seriously he is playing that card again? Get real Mick. You can't hack criticism you are well paid to handle, then get out.
He is embarrassing himself now.

After reading that
2 to go

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When I heard his comments I felt the same way.

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This is as bruising as media scrutiny gets outside of politics. They know his wife has had a health scare but they are still going in for the kill.

How would a politician be treated under the same circumstances? If it was long term, they'd look to resign, to make the time for their family and avoid the searing heat every time they - understandably - make a mistake. At least the media would show some decorum in those circles.

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20 ways to see the world,
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Lets examine Mick Malthouse Career

50% record. Lets break it down.
Footscray 67W / 66L.
Westcoast 156 / 85. (2 flags)
Pies 163 / 121 (1 flag, r/up a couple times)
Blues 19 / 29

Apart from coaching his WA Stateside, you wouldn't think he has been that positive at the other teams. He had a couple dominate years at the Pies, but is only +42 surprisingly.

Now lets break down his rebuilding abilities:

1995 - 10th (rebuilding list)
1996 - 11th (rebuilding list)
1997 - 10th (rebuilding list)
1998 - 14th (rebuilding list)
1999 - 16th (rebuilding list)
2000 - 15th (Malthouse Appointed off a rebuild)
2001 - 9th
2002 - 4th
2003 - 2nd
2004 - 13th (mini rebuild - Travis Cloke, Caracella, Harry O)
2005 - 15th (mini rebuild - Dale Thomas, Pendlebury, Jack Anthony, Alan Toovey)
2006 - 7th (Medhurst, Reid, Nathan Brown, Dawes, Goldsack, Wellingham, McAffer, Marty Clarke)
2007 - 4th
2008 - 6th
2009 - 4th
2010 - 1st

People keep thinking Malthouse is the man, because he got the club to the finals a few years after he joined the club in 2002. But, when you look at it, before he come, they were already coming off a rebuild. Then they had an injury plagued season in 2004 or 2005 and picked up some very handy players. With the current game years ago, he received the key ingredients he needed in 2004 - 2006 for his style of play eg. KPP. His game plan is built around KPP Forwards. He gets Cloke and Dawes. Then he adds two classy players in 2005 in Pendles and Daisy. Also backline has an injection other players. According to my die hard pies fan, they actually stopped Malthouse being involved in recruiting. It was about the time he wanted Chad Morrsion instead of Jordan Lewis.

So after getting the right players to the club, it took a further 4 years to get his process or system working and has a flag in 2010.

What is the difference that Malthouse faces now, that he didn't face in Collingwood
a) Aging list
b) The club is not coming off a rebuild. Carlton are entering a rebuild.
c) Club does not have the same leadership qualities as some of the players at the Pies in that time.
d) Took 4 years to implement his game plan from 2007 - 2010. Had a stable list to learn the process / system.

Based on the above information, you are dreaming if you think he will just turn around the club in a couple years and get us back to the promise land. I can see why he wanted to come to Carlton, it would of been a similar scenario to entering the Pies in 2000 off a rebuild. But, when he got to carlton, the wheels fell off year 2. Game plan is ripped apart by opposition coaches as he doesn't have kpp forwards in cloke & dawes to take the around the boundary line contested mark in to the forward line. Doesn't have swan, pendles, wellingham, sidebottom, wellingham, saints guy and a couple others to dominate the midfield and he doesn't have leaders at the club like pendles, maxwell, harry o and heater to ensure his gameplan / system stands up.

One thing you guys have to remember is that Carlton have completely different variables to the team that Malthouse coached at the Pies.

We can keep flogging a dead horse, but based on past history, l think Malthouse would need another 6 years to be close to a flag and to do that we would need a lot of luck to get the right players in. He definitely needs Levi to be Clokey, Hendo to be Dawes of 2010 and an A grade midfield to even have half a hope of success. Plus a very strong backline and strong leadership back there for his zoning.

It is time to pull the pin in 2 games, hopefully Mick realises that he can either walk away or be sacked this season. Carlton is not a club to sit there and accept loss after loss.

What aging list? We're 7th on average...

Let's all pluck things from the sky and see how it reads according to our own bias...

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it's kind of ridiculous..
the guy is well off, and of a retirement age
what has his family got to be worried about for pete's sake?

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most of our crux players are old...


we used to be young... but we gave them time and they got old...

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Jimmae you seem to be unapologetically pro Malthouse.

I was okay with the appointment just as I was with Ratten and Pagan and Brittain. Coaches need time to work out what it is that they're doing at a new club and setting up change takes time. I've been happy to give Mick that time.

But it's not an open ended invitation to @#$%&! around and achieve nothing.

I've watched you post consistently pro Malthouse stuff for a while now whilst our team has clearly got worse.

I've seen positives but I'm seeing an increasing number of negatives and at the moment I'm seeing a coach flailing around trying to secure his fortress which is unedifying for a 50 game coach but truly sad for one who's coached over 700 games.

Could you outline what it is you think Malthouse is trying to do, has achieved, is close to achieving and will achieve so I might have a hope of seeing what it is that you're seeing but I'm missing?

Cheers,

GWS

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This whole thing is a balls up.

Carlton were right to wait until the latter part of the year, but announcing three games in that we are going to rebuild is just stupid. It might be necessary but there was no need to say anything just yet.

Add triggs inflammatory comments about mick being old and asking if he has the energy to the list of stupid things to say.

On the flip side mick bringing the topic up every time, like hes doing everyone else a service by trying to get re-signed and then throwing his families despair into the mix is equally dumb.

@#$%&! this club has turned into dog shit.

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