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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:48 am 
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Jimmae have you any experience on boards - have you been involved in assessment of boards when the president is on the assessment committee - do you really think with the President on the screening committee that we get an independent appraisal of board members or would be board members - stick to things you know about the word is naivete in the extreme :banghead:
this is window dressing in the extreme - if the sub really wanted an independent assessment he would not be on committee


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:49 am 
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So far I am pretty impressed with Trigg. I know we can't see what goes on behind closed doors (yet we pretend we do) but his effort to communicate and his understanding of the members point of view has been refreshing.

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the timing of all this 'honesty' is shithouse

I agree. While it's nice to see the powers-that-be finally calling a spade a spade, that it comes when the season has already started and immediately on the back of a bombardment of negative press (not to mention in the leadup to a game with the teflon-coated DRUGCHEATS), says one of two things:

1) They've been kidding themselves all through the off-season and have only just come to the full realisation now (after everyone telling them so).
2) They were scared to say so in the off-season because they thought membership would suffer ("apathetic supporters" and all that).

Good on Trigg and MLG for speaking out (about time someone did), but the club needs to take control of the situation, not be dictated by outside forces.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:10 am 
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How do we send an email to sub judice and trigg ie email address -does anyone know


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:20 am 
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Jimmae have you any experience on boards - have you been involved in assessment of boards when the president is on the assessment committee - do you really think with the President on the screening committee that we get an independent appraisal of board members or would be board members - stick to things you know about the word is naivete in the extreme :banghead:
this is window dressing in the extreme - if the sub really wanted an independent assessment he would not be on committee

MLG is one 'vote' on a recommendations board that does not have the final say on any matter...

He provides the perspective of the current climate in a commonly misunderstood industry. You cannot apply the usual rules of business to professional sport; it's entertainment as well as hard numbers and there's all the kinds of egos that float about either space. They're interested in all kinds of acumen, and are looking to canvas every candidate that wants to present.

What the hell is wrong with that? If they barefaced lie about an incoming candidate or try to politically leverage their personal life to prevent their elections, we will all sniff that out from a mile away. This is all about information on candidates, and accountability from all parties.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:36 am 
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Jimmae you can run these clubs like transparent ordinary businesses both public and private and it would run much better if those ordinary and well accepted corporate governance practices were adopted and endorsed - DO YOU THINK THAT HAWTHORN GEELONG SYDNEY RUN THEIR ORGANISATIONS AS IF IT IS A BUSINESS - of course they do that's why they are miles ahead
Spoke to a former AFL coach yesterday and said you would be staggered at the quality or lack there of of some people in footy administration and the thing holding most clubs back is the quality or lack there of of their boards - who generally treatment the clubs as their own fiefdom a seek try t micro- manage he executive or intervene they shouldnt ie how in any public company would a board of directors survive if what happened at Essendon* '- shows how treating football clubs as different has disastrous consequences

Why are we so far behind everyone else if our model has been so effective so far - why wouldn't you want a totally independent review of the directors and the process for selecting directors

Do you really think under this new measure because president doesn't have a casting vote he doesn't influence just because he is on committee - much better for him not to be on committee


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:51 am 
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So far I am pretty impressed with Trigg. I know we can't see what goes on behind closed doors (yet we pretend we do) but his effort to communicate and his understanding of the members point of view has been refreshing.

Bingo...... board is a work in progress. 2 years max until the factions are gone.

Synners goes on about Craig Matheson being there still, if he's still there it will be because he's adding value. Impossible to be a credible faction when ur on your own.

Why would you bring it up in an email from the CEO on the same day the pres is doing a media piece also. Why would you bring it up at all?

It's happening, too many are completely jaded of the last 15 years to want to believe it.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:53 am 
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jimmae wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Jimmae have you any experience on boards - have you been involved in assessment of boards when the president is on the assessment committee - do you really think with the President on the screening committee that we get an independent appraisal of board members or would be board members - stick to things you know about the word is naivete in the extreme :banghead:
this is window dressing in the extreme - if the sub really wanted an independent assessment he would not be on committee

MLG is one 'vote' on a recommendations board that does not have the final say on any matter...

He provides the perspective of the current climate in a commonly misunderstood industry. You cannot apply the usual rules of business to professional sport; it's entertainment as well as hard numbers and there's all the kinds of egos that float about either space. They're interested in all kinds of acumen, and are looking to canvas every candidate that wants to present.

What the hell is wrong with that? If they barefaced lie about an incoming candidate or try to politically leverage their personal life to prevent their elections, we will all sniff that out from a mile away. This is all about information on candidates, and accountability from all parties.


who else makes up the filtering board apart from juicy ???

can you tell us????.. im all ears....

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:54 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
Some of you have undoubtedly received this...

Steven Trigg wrote:
Dear Donstuie,

I write this month to inform you about our progress in some key areas of our strategic plan, the Key Drivers of Success. There are particular areas that I believe are important and will be of interest…

Firstly though, a sincere thank you to all members for being with us in 2015. We had a very heartening response to our recent membership drive, which has bumped up our membership number toward the 50,000 mark.

We still have much to do in this area because, as all Carlton people know, we have massive support – and there is so much un-tapped potential out there for us to significantly grow that membership over time. I promise that we will grow it! We'll grow membership because we are serious about sticking to our strategic plan. As a reminder, there are two vital parts of that plan:

1) 'Putting supporters at the centre of everything we do'

2) 'Building a sense of pride and belonging'

Let me give you some examples of things we're doing in this regard.

We are:

- Working hard on improving our systems and processes within the membership department.
- Working on ways to better communicate with our supporters – especially those who don't have digital media access.
- Working hard on how we better connect with supporters in regional and interstate locations.
- Building the connection with members and supporters on match days.
- We are also:
-- Putting on a series of 'Carlton Social Club' events (free for members) after several games at the MCG, to bring the tribe together. There will be separate communication on this for members, staff, players and the Board. Our first event will follow the Essendon*** game this week and will be hosted by Andy Lee and Sam Pang.
-- Striving to do something special for Mother's Day. Again there'll be separate communication, but note that our Etihad game against Brisbane is the only game on that day. We intend to make it a day that all mums and families can enjoy, including a kick-to-kick on the ground post match.

I also reiterate a point made in my last report – and that is – we are acutely aware of the issue of cost (of membership) and it will be the number one consideration in our 2016 planning.

In short, members (and supporters attending our games) are the absolute lifeblood of our Club. We can't flourish as a Club and have the success we want without retaining members, growing membership and building attendances.

All of that is absolutely real, but to take that further, it has to be said there is an 'unreal' perception (by some) that 'Carlton doesn’t need members'. A perception (by too many) that 'Carlton has rich benefactors' who will simply rescue us; that a few wealthy families will 'see us through'. In my first six months I have kept hearing this but to be blunt, while those families have been incredibly supportive in the past, they're not 'saviours'. In short, there are no 'white knights' (on-field or off-field).

The reality is we are faced with a time in which we are being challenged financially. Our prosperity, in terms of our growth both on and off the field, is in membership and attendance at our home games.

So, we will keep working on improving those systems and processes, on creating that sense of belonging, on putting our supporters at the centre of everything we do and improving our match-day connection and overall communication.

We are certainly buoyed by the recent announcement of a Partnership with Virgin Australia. Virgin Australia is a great brand and the company has been a great innovator. We will be working with Virgin on customer service across all areas at Carlton, as well as a number of match-day initiatives, which will be terrific for all of our members and supporters.

The other element of our Plan I want to report on is in Key Driver #4, Elite List Management.

We have committed to 'better resource our list management area' and to 'develop a functional list management database'. We have also committed to a 'closer connection with the Northern Blues' all with a clear plan (for the list).

By way of an update for members we have:

- Secured an experienced GM of List Management and Strategy – Stephen Silvagni.
- Commenced the build of a list management database (the platform for which comes from the Boston Redsox) and an accompanying 'analytics program'. This program will allow us to store better information, benchmark and value players (our own and others), link it all to vision, and generally help us to make better and more informed decisions.
- Established a physical 'hub' within the Club that is to be a centre of list management excellence. Within that, Stephen will lead and work with the recruiting team, our opposition scout (Barry Prendergast) and our coaches. Their focus is on building sustainability for the future and building a premiership-winning list.
- Bolstered our relationship with the Northern Blues whereby they will play some curtain raisers to our AFL games. We are integrating Plans and Values, and we will have a CFC Director (Greg Lee) on the Northern Blues Board.

I want to emphasise to all members just how important all of this work has become.

It's critical work simply because we don't have enough depth or depth of experience. We have some bright young prospects, but we need more. We've often heard the call (from members) for 'no quick fixes', and we are very much aligned with that in our (List) Plans. We need to build for the future , and have an element of patience along the way. We have to draft superbly, access free agents/trades to supplement our growth, and develop (and coach) as effectively as we can over the coming years.

I believe we communicated that over the off-season. But after just a couple of rounds, let's be very clear about it...

- We have a significant list 're-build' in front of us.
- That re-build is going to take time.
- All of the many changes we've made over the off-season and our greater investment into list management is aimed at just that – building our list – and building success. No quick fixes, no white knights.

In simple terms, we must bring in more talent while intensively developing and supporting our current players.

In the meantime, we will continue to push to develop a winning culture – and keep improving in everything we do, week by week.

I simply ask all supporters and members to have a clear understanding of where we are at, to be patient, and to share with us the journey as we undertake this work.

For all that, we haven't had the start to the season we all had hoped for, but there have been some positives. I'm confident that members know how much work we have in front of us and that we'll have to ‘hold our nerve’ from time to time, as we will most certainly be tested.

Again, to all members, (nearly 50,000 strong) thank you for being with us. Your support is genuinely and greatly appreciated!

Regards
Steven Trigg
CEO, Carlton FC

That's a hell of a lot more communication that Swann gave.

While it's just 'talk', I like it.

Yes, I agree. I did take it with a grain of salt, but as you say, at least it's communication, and quite a bit..

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:55 am 
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
So far I am pretty impressed with Trigg. I know we can't see what goes on behind closed doors (yet we pretend we do) but his effort to communicate and his understanding of the members point of view has been refreshing.

Bingo...... board is a work in progress. 2 years max until the factions are gone.

Synners goes on about Craig Matheson being there still, if he's still there it will be because he's adding value. Impossible to be a credible faction when ur on your own.

Why would you bring it up in an email from the CEO on the same day the pres is doing a media piece also. Why would you bring it up at all?

It's happening, too many are completely jaded of the last 15 years to want to believe it.

i know what im talking about.... :thumbsup:

the more things change the more things stay the same..... thats especially true at carlton...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:56 am 
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oh and what value is craig adding teague..???

im all ears....

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:57 am 
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Synners:

The Independent Nominations Committee (INC) consists of three members. Two are independent members with expertise in corporate governance including long-time returning officer Andrew Mansour and John Davies, as well as the President of the football club.

Andrew has been the returning officer for the Club for 23 years and is a partner at the law firm K&L Gates with recognized expertise in corporate governance practice.

John is a former audit partner of Ernst and Young and has been a member of numerous governance committees including Chairman of the Audit & Risk Committee at Cricket Australia, member of the Audit Committee at Golf Australia, and has completed governance reviews of various Australian sports on behalf of the Australian Sports Commission.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:02 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Jimmae you can run these clubs like transparent ordinary businesses both public and private and it would run much better if those ordinary and well accepted corporate governance practices were adopted and endorsed - DO YOU THINK THAT HAWTHORN GEELONG SYDNEY RUN THEIR ORGANISATIONS AS IF IT IS A BUSINESS - of course they do that's why they are miles ahead
Spoke to a former AFL coach yesterday and said you would be staggered at the quality or lack there of of some people in footy administration and the thing holding most clubs back is the quality or lack there of of their boards - who generally treatment the clubs as their own fiefdom a seek try t micro- manage he executive or intervene they shouldnt ie how in any public company would a board of directors survive if what happened at Essendon** '- shows how treating football clubs as different has disastrous consequences

Why are we so far behind everyone else if our model has been so effective so far - why wouldn't you want a totally independent review of the directors and the process for selecting directors

Do you really think under this new measure because president doesn't have a casting vote he doesn't influence just because he is on committee - much better for him not to be on committee

That committee isn't for selecting directors... it's for providing info on them so a walk up with no capital, but actual skills actually gets a shot.

It *is* good business governance. It's a tool that on its own can slowly turn the board over.

While we're at it, do you honestly think Geelong runs their club like a business? The board still has political bunnies, they've just managed to come together and build a great organisational structure. We're trying to do the same thing right now. Take a look:

http://www.geelongcats.com.au/club/the- ... -executive

Then take a look at Sydney and Hawthorn, who do it better than Geelong by leveraging all sorts of progressive experience alongside financial know-how and industry knowledge:

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/club/board-members

http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/club/people/the-board

They still have bunnies too though. Notably though, they have experts on corporate governance and some form of medicine or science, and the governance types tend to be women. A much more diverse range of opinions than our board.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:03 pm 
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Synners:

The Independent Nominations Committee (INC) consists of three members. Two are independent members with expertise in corporate governance including long-time returning officer Andrew Mansour and John Davies, as well as the President of the football club.

Andrew has been the returning officer for the Club for 23 years and is a partner at the law firm K&L Gates with recognized expertise in corporate governance practice.

John is a former audit partner of Ernst and Young and has been a member of numerous governance committees including Chairman of the Audit & Risk Committee at Cricket Australia, member of the Audit Committee at Golf Australia, and has completed governance reviews of various Australian sports on behalf of the Australian Sports Commission.

correct ... is mansour has worked with this club for 22 years.. and involved in it .. how is he independent???

i bet if u look at the other guy... hes the same... thogh admittedly i know jack shit about him....

i can bet he isnt independent of dealings with this footy club...

hardly independent though......

lol

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:33 pm 
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Don't tell me the board should go until you stand by the replacements. Who has put their hands up? I think our supporter ase are short on corporate talent and influence.


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nobody will put their hands up in the face of pratts and mathiesons

but a power vacum will be the catalyst of a whole new world...

as long as everybody whos there now will remain out of it.. and not get involved..
mathesons and sticks as well as pratt...

the others are nothing.... they can be swatted like flies by anybody whos fair dinkum. your marcus clarkes and adrian gleesons...greg leee..etc...

theyre just cannon fodder who rely on hiding behind the armour of others...

they will all have their chargers and preferred people

so this club will continue on the very same road its continuing on....

they cant let go

its addictive...

they all think they can fix it....

but they havent...

so its not fixable..with them,,,

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Synbad wrote:
robertbb wrote:
Synners:

The Independent Nominations Committee (INC) consists of three members. Two are independent members with expertise in corporate governance including long-time returning officer Andrew Mansour and John Davies, as well as the President of the football club.

Andrew has been the returning officer for the Club for 23 years and is a partner at the law firm K&L Gates with recognized expertise in corporate governance practice.

John is a former audit partner of Ernst and Young and has been a member of numerous governance committees including Chairman of the Audit & Risk Committee at Cricket Australia, member of the Audit Committee at Golf Australia, and has completed governance reviews of various Australian sports on behalf of the Australian Sports Commission.

correct ... is mansour has worked with this club for 22 years.. and involved in it .. how is he independent???

i bet if u look at the other guy... hes the same... thogh admittedly i know jack shit about him....

i can bet he isnt independent of dealings with this footy club...

hardly independent though......

lol

Correct Synners...and I know this via blood ties...

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nothing against mansour i met him during the elliott days......but the club calling him independent is ridiculous...

so i wanna dig up who the other guy is.. and watch how hes not independent either.....

i mean hes independent as far as he is not on the board and not a direct employee of the club

but i doubt these guys are independent clearskins....

PLUS the president...... another one on the indie board set up as gatekeepers to the boardroom

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:11 pm 
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oh and what value is craig adding teague..???

im all ears....

NFI Synners, probably nothing..... but like I said 2 years max and he'll be marginalised so if he's not providing value then he's [REDACTED].

No one has come up with a credible reason yet for mentioning the oligarchs directly to members, then the Gooch being quite direct in how poor the admin AND board has been in the paper on the same day.

This is absolutely deliberate, make no mistake.

The committee, now this. It's a poignant moment, the club is being cleansed. Hopefully the oligarchs go easier than I think they will....

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