its the vibe

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

The current feeding frenzy that is allowing the media to generate this cycle of press.

Can you name another club a news outlet can practically copy-paste infographics of failures for over a stretch of 12-14 years? Have they failed the entire time?

I defend the right of the supporter to bemoan the club as much as the next person, and believe that it's the job of the club to stand up to such criticism but the idea that them making a statement is a joke and them not making a statement is also a joke, without any regard for the content or reasonings for either, is dismal.

They have a job to do but if we want to be so vocal and e-mail them, call them, bitch about them on radio and write to newspapers and keep people employed pedalling this agenda, we should probably listen for feedback, otherwise we should expect a siege mentality from the club.

The goal here is entertainment, and if they're failing to entertain you, it's probably time to walk away.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

,the email effectively gives the players a free pass to failure for the rest of the year. Don't worry about wins and losses, we're rebuilding.
Pfft

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So general negativity from the media?

Perhaps if, as a club, we did something good for a change there'd be some general positivity.

I'm prepared to give Trigg some time, but the board, under Sticks or under MLG, is the same board. They'll need to prove people wrong.

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Trigg is the same CEO too...

he was handpicked by the board thats been handpicking everything else....

dont kid yourselves

he was thrown out of adelaide

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Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.

..trigg is a list clogger.... ..like this club really needed a salary cap cheat to be running things..

....he didn't even cheat the cap for a champ either.. ..what a dud..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

cant we just find somebody that didnt do his best work for another club circa 2011??

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Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.

..nope.. ..we don't have a developing culture.. ..not on field, and not off field..

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jimmae what are they paying you???

u can bag me all u like ..u can even call me negative.. because youre positive....

so my negativity is bad.......

but in all honesty are you getting paid??... ive been thinking alot about you lately...are u some kind of gatekeeper???

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Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.

I like the sentiment expressed in the message. It's the first time in recent memory where someone has said "we've [REDACTED] up as a club collectively", instead of chasing the quick fix to save their individual arses.
There's also an admission that administration and board performance has been poor. Give me that over denial any day.
The key now is to see what actions are taken. Do they have the smarts to independently review the whole operation or will the incompetents be assessing each other?

Im happy to give them credit though. The message is correct. We can't have it both ways. You can't kick them for being ignorant of our problems and then kick them when they actually realise and admit the depth of our malaise. i don't mind Trigg. I've had more honesty out of him than I've had out of the club collectively for 15 years.
Let's see whether he can actually drive real change. Self interest has crippled this club. That's the real challenge

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

You may think that what has happened to the club over the past decade is okay, that's your opinion, but I don't.

I don't see it as negativity, I see it as reality.

Maybe my expectations of the club are higher. I expect us to build back to the dominant club we once were. Anything less for me is a major disappointment and at the moment I am just hoping for a clear direction in returning to those days.

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Nope; I actually loathe gatekeepers, but most aren't intentionally gatekeepers in today's world. Also I'm flattered that you've been thinking of me

But as BV said, you can't have it both ways. No point sinking the boot in when they acknowledge the problem in full and apologise for it.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

The reality of the situation and your reaction to the reality of the situation, AND your concept of a plan for recovery are all very different things.

Please do not confuse my comments as being borne of ignorance.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

the timing of all this 'honesty' is shithouse

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Look they'd obviously been sitting on the sentiment but hoped their plans for the season would spark something in the list.

I still think there's enough to work with to get a more competitive result than we have been, but I don't think the message to the players overall (not necessarily via the coach) has been very positive, and that has an impact. Then the media have an impact; then suddenly everybody on the street has an impact.

The players are paid well and trained to deal with that, but they're only human, and some of them are just as raw as us having been here for most of the drama. I applaud guys like Walker and Simmo, who have been through it all and still give a shit; you still see it on their faces. A little of their spirit would be great around here.

We were always going to be continuing with a youth turnover and we're going to see at least 8 come off the senior list at the end of this season, after which I think we will be in good shape top to bottom. In the mean time, I think the first two results have been a combination of Malthouse trying to spark a better attitude out of some players, trying to get the fitness levels up of new players, and rolling the dice on some players who have the right work ethic, if not the talent.

I think on-going, you won't see much from Ellard, you won't see White in midfield, you won't see Smith and Jones gifted a game, and you will see guys like Watson, Boekhorst and Buckley get an opportunity when his form presents it.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I also think Trigg and MLG should be pushing hard to have the minimum cap threshold removed because I think it is hurting developing teams long term. There are players who get paid inflated wages just so a club can met its minimum requirements.

Players should not be rewarded for mediocrity, and it allows these clubs a shot at a big free agent to change their luck. Flexibility of contracts should be a priority for all parties.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Like the honesty - timing and the manner in which they effect this honesty will be shithouse - get an independent review done - lets get independent review of board and take money out of it as a qualification for being a board member - ie how many of these clowns have done the AICD course - how many have been on a board before - not of their own business but other boards - what corporate and financial governance skills have they got - which other public sector or private sector boards have they had experience on - which of these people have experience in stakeholder engagement and management - which of them have experience in public or private sectors of strategic planning - What analysis has been done on the board as to the skills gaps which the existing board has and how are these skill gaps going to be filled - what succession planning has the board done in respect to existing board members and the executive

It's easy to blame the media and the supporter on the street for having an impact.

Time for the people who count to have an impact.

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

That's exactly what the screening committee is there for, so political unknowns can step in and show their wares and gain political support as well as verified information for their ticket.

Wait no, sorry, it's a conspiracy.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I was more suggesting the admin & board side of things having an impact on the players.

Also when bad results hit, you start believing the bad press a bit more.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.