Keep Armfield and White

Who has been there longer? Your answer lies within but also the same board hired the coach on serious coin. Unfortunately MM couldn't be a manager but that role should be his role in football moving forward. Younger gameday/training coach (and new assistants + development) to be employed.
Though if a thorough review was implemented and MM was found to be beneficial for the playing group (honest appraisals), then continue on but on heavily reduced money.
Need some effort from the players. Marc Murphy needs to step up or I'd have no issue with him being part of big trade. Richmond would bite, so too Brisbane (ironic if ended up there), Collingwood, Melbourne, and perhaps even GWS or GCS.

yup - if you gut too many older players then its pagan revisited and a risk of bringing in recycled players to prop up the list/save memberships.

armfield/white aren't likely to be part of any flag but both have always given 100% on the field and would be willing to physically protect the younger players coming through - Ellard is another option but I don't think his body would hold up.

Agree here on their efforts and willing to put their bodies on the line.

Ellard should be a playing/development at the NB's. His AFL days are numbered.

Agreed. The point I was trying to make was that there are some cases where you can rebuild and pick up an FA at the same time.

Our's clearly wasn't one of them.

why would older players put their body on the line now they have nothing to play for.....???

lol

i knew when mark slipped out on his own to play the hero and buggered up the hawthorn poach and had to return with his tail between his legs to sign up rogers only to pay him out... that he was an idiot....!!
i knew his stupidity couldnt possibly stop there...
someone like mick would have him for brekky

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..his last afl match he was quite good, better than anything our other options have produced lately.. ..and he's had bugger all senior development.. ..make no mistake, he'd be a regular player in other teams that know how to use and develop players..w

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

..cant say I have any faith in the 'new' prez and ceo..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

how can the new prez be any good.. he ascended from the same group thats been there years

and how can the ceo be any better.... he was selcted by this group

dont let the head hunt agency kid you... that was just a waste of tens of thouands of your hard earnt cash

but they need more....

ill go into that tomorrow...

its a crack up

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..we go from one dodgy salary cap cheating prez.. ..to a couple of sell outs, then the price fixer, temporary mullet..... ..and back to a dodgy salary cap cheat, albeit ceo.. ..progress..

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me too, and my missus, so that will be three memberships gone (presuming u are a member bluegirl?)

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my last one was rubbish

in all seriousness, hell yes!!!! really, hell yes!!!!!!

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my last one was rubbish

yep, he's hustled everyone

shit game plan no one wants to play makes every one look slow and below average

easy sell

I'm not against a rebuild. But I'm curious - if this is the path that is being taken and it's a 3 year thing - does that mean we are getting a new coach? Or are we locking into Malthouse now for 3 years minimum?

Because a new coach is going to come in and do a rebuild to get the team in their own image anyway so we could be facing this same thing in 24 months.

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

Totally agree.

The reality is that going into the 2018 season (which will be our "67th game")... whoever is coaching, we still won't be challenging.

The Hawks drafted their spine in 2004, won the flag (against expectations) in 2008 and really only came to their own in 2013. That's 9 years. And they got an absolutely stellar draft and some absolute guns through trade and free agency.

So, *if* we get everything right and put together a list that can challenge (big *if*, but let's pretend it might happen) the premiership window won't be truly open until 2024. Will Mick be capable of coaching in 2024? No. We therefore need to get a new, young coach in and let him have at it for 10+ years. I really, really, really think that person should be Brendan Bolton. He's very young (I like saying that, we're the same age ) he's learned under the best (and coached them when Clarkson was unwell), and he's achieved success in his own right at several levels of football. I don't know much about Stewie Dew but he's been mentioned by a few as a potentially good candidate as well.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

MLG still didn't answer the most pertinent question ... why didn't we start this rebuild at the last draft when we had the chance ... why not choose the best available 18 year old at pick 19?? As another example, we could have played hardball with the Bulldogs over Liam Jones and let him come to us via the PSD but instead we blinked and handed over pick 46.

Not a big deal in isolation but it does show how we don't value the draft. Geelong (Gregson), West Coast (Nelson) and Port (Daniel) have already given serious preseason minutes and in the first two cases, senior games, to their post 46 draft picks. With the pick we could have added a project ruckman or tall to the list (Pittonet, Dear, and McKenzie were all taken post 46) or even tried to land a small forward to replace the outgoing Garlett (Deluca-Cardillo got picked up by freo at 68).

Saying the rebuild is starting now just shows what a waste the last three years have been.

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I am only happy with a rebuild if he is gone. Players are leaving and we are not really attracting anyone significant. A kpp that cant get a game with gws, a 3rd tall in sydney getting paid buckleys and a guy screaming to get out of the lions have been good gets, but nothing a grade or b grade there. maybe in a few years they will turn in to a or b graders, but doubtful. But, come to the trade table last yr and not many players were saying i want to go to carlton. except cant get a game in gws jakjaksh and spudly tutt. While mm is at the club we have no chance of getting a big name player unless we offer a crapload of money and over pay a player like daisy.

Biggest surprise for me was waitey leaving. A lot of waite history at the club and a chance to be a one club player with his father is surely something special. I doubt he left under ratts.

So here we are. Finish 6th in 2013. Finish around 13th last yr but very competitive against a lot of teams in the last 10 rounds and now we are 2 games in to 2015 and we have to rebuild because a coach has lost the players? We lost waite and we turn in to a shocking team? What happen to process process process in year 1 and 2.

Surely the board are not this dumb to keep this guy around. Maybe this is part of the boards plan to just say at the end of the yr we are not resigning you and going with a younger coach or are hoping he will just retire gracefully through the season or just buying time until he gets his record, then sack. Media would be attacking the club pretty badly if we did that before the record.

days of our lives @cfc

Spot on Dukes. We should have taken Goddard at 19. The Boekhorst pick was a clear indication we still over-rated our list and drafted a player we thought was ready to play and ready to give us some run... only somehow we didn't even get that right.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

So goldzy. Let's get this straight.
If Mick leaves you're OK but the board that put him there and everybody else is doing a ripper job?
Oh ok

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................and if MM knew the list was shit why DID HE go after Daisy and lose us a compo pick for Betts?

Seems to be a lack of direction from the top, a coach playing a dysfunctional board for fools (and getting away with it for three years by hiring mates and yes men) a list with no idea where they stand, how they should play and what their futures are.

Does make the Boek selection a little strange as well.

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I hope Essendon* folds.