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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:28 pm 
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I can see where Rohan is going, suggesting we give the board time.

But really, has anyone read the "Key Drivers for Success"? (http://media.heraldsun.com.au/sport/CAR2937.pdf)

Granted I'm a cynical old bastard, but it reads like just one more corporate wank-fest mission statement. Lots of lofty unmeasurable mother hood statements couched in touchy feely HR twaddle that staff will read once, then throw in a draw never to be seen again.

To paraphrase, "Don't mission statement, do"! Yes, its only been 6 months. But apart from getting SOS as list manager, what real changes have we seen? We've got numerous people with issues with the membership department.

What actual statements from the Prez have we seen? He's barely said a word publicly since his appointment. Did he stand up and tell us in early Jan, "look we're stuffed, I need time to fix this. Its going to be bumpy and we're going to struggle but work with me?"

In fact, has anyone heard anything from him on Radio etc ??? I just google searched him and can't find anything from him or interview with him since Jul 2014.

So much for Driver #8. "ENGAGING IN OPEN AND HONEST COMMUNICATION WITH OUR SUPPORTER AND STAKEHOLDERS"

Again, cynical old bastard me, but Prez, 'trust us' has worn out its welcome.


That's why I want Tom Elliott as Prez, someone visible, passionate, capable and media savvy. Until we get him or the like, it'll be a battle.

Think Eddie, Kennett, Dicker, Costa etc.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:32 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Its about time too that Mark Subjudice goes public and admits that performance at present is unacceptable both on and off the field and things must change :banghead:

didn't THE SUB PROMISE A MUCH IMPROVED PERFORMANCE THIS YEAR - SHOW SOME LEADERSHIP SUB

By the way fan engagement is not just getting the bloody hovercraft back and fireworks - try getting a ferocious commitment from players staff executive and board to be bloody ruthless and competitive in all aspects of the footy


Only if Jeannie and Bruce "'let" him :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:45 pm 
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you guys are funny.

I love how the media are protecting Malthouse. I wonder how long that will last. According to the media, we should be happy with these results, sit back and appreciate the lack of effort because it is Mick Malthouse coaching. Any other coach would be ditched by now. We might as well start the tank thread. Play for draft picks. We can only draft number 1 picks.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:09 pm 
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We are two rounds into a season. It comes down to each player having pride in their performance on the field every week and giving their all every contest every second on the field.
If they dont, they need to be dropped irrespective of name, we are losing anyway so we cant do worse.
Work out who gives a sh!t about the club and wanting to succeed and who doesnt

In my opinion its our so called best players that are killing us, when we get challenged they sh!t themselves.... Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs, im looking at you!!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:29 pm 
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yeah i agree hollywood

i think what we were doing off season has been a disaster for whatever reasons

and no matter how we dice it.. the opening 2 rounds are tragic even my our mediocre standards over the years

the list is incredibly low on the kinds of players we need

but there must be a heap more to this than meets the eye

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:34 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:31 pm 
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i say lets wait to half way into the season and we can judge on everything,players, coaches,board,fitness guru


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:31 pm 
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I'm on board hysteria - we're [REDACTED]!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:59 pm 
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pew1 wrote:
i say lets wait to half way into the season and we can judge on everything,players, coaches,board,fitness guru


Why wait...HYSTERIA NOW!.......AAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:43 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:14 pm 
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Best definition of self fulfilling prophecy - with 5 or 6 articles in the today's papers alone, its easy to see where the main source of the hysteria is coming from..... (apart from TC of course)

Whether the coaches, captain or players can sort themselves out of this mess is beside the point, the court of public opinion has been been adequately primed....


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:37 pm 
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SnickerS wrote:
dane wrote:
We stuffed up all out first round picks for 2009,10,11
But that was easy due to drafts either being weak (2009) or compromised 2010 and 11


We stuffed up all our first round picks in 2005, 2006 and 2007 as well Dane.


Pendlebury, Selwood & Cotchin (I'll keep dreaming)


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:07 am 
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The thing I don't get is that our players have demonstrated they can do far better.
We have evidence that :
Judd Gibbs Hendo yarran murphy simmo jammo are all capable of great games
Everitt Doc Menz Cripps Bell all shone potential and have flashes
Carrots curnow white rowe and 2e have all shown in the past that they can do their jobs
Thomas Kruze Walker can obviously play well

Just not this year. And certainly not at the same time....

I suppose one good take away is that is must be very hard for the club to pretend that all is ok


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:44 am 
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Ok Carlton. Bulldogs spend 3 mths searching for a CEO and sign an Australian who is a Nike VP who is currently working in the US.
We sign an ex CEO from a struggling footy club with average results during his tenure who was coming off a 6 mth suspension for salary cap cheating.
Discuss.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:23 pm 
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We cannot attract players nor can we attract CEO's ???


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:50 pm 
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Ok Carlton. Bulldogs spend 3 mths searching for a CEO and sign an Australian who is a Nike VP who is currently working in the US.
We sign an ex CEO from a struggling footy club with average results during his tenure who was coming off a 6 mth suspension for salary cap cheating.
Discuss.


I've had a lot to do with VPs of big American and European companies (including the odd 4am presentation to them via videocon from a hotel room somewhere), even have a few close mates that have made it to VP for big companies over there (as expat aussies). Simply being a VP is probably not a good way to judge. Just as there are great players in under performing clubs and there are over-rated players in great clubs, executives are exactly the same. I don't know either of the guys you've mentioned, only what I read in the papers but unless you have some inside knowledge into the way they have managed and handled the internal crises that they work very hard to keep from getting out, it is very hard to judge.

Additionally, without knowing which part of Nike this guy is the VP for it is hard to see how relevant his experience there would be. What if he is the supply chain VP setting up the global distribution of Nike stuff from factories in China to shops in Budapest? Additionally we are very critical of the media for being alarmist and embellishing every scandal at Carlton but we are ready to soak up and believe all the bad things they write up about other clubs? How do we know what to believe about what happened in Adelaide?

i am not defending anybody, just saying that you cant judge the scenario mentioned based on appearances. i am a lowly CFC Member and, for mine i have seen more communication and a better attempt to engage with members this year than any other i can remember. As somebody that is normally not able to get to any games so essentially just buys memberships as a 'donation' to the club I was genuinely pleasantly surprised to see a varied range of membership options this year, some with things that i might even get to use rather than just handing over $$ for nothing. My members hat was posted to my house this year rather than just the coupon that i could exchange for a hat (at one of the 22 games I've paid for but will never go to). I was so surprised i told the lady on the phone to upgrade me to the next level as i could afford to spend more than i needed for what i could use (not a very common thing for me!!!).

I don't have mates in the inner sanctum like Synbad and i don't rub shoulder with the hoi-polloi like the Pratts etc so i have no idea about how the club is run internally but as a 'Joe Average' member i think the new CEO has made a difference and i feel he is trying to make a better connection between the fans and the club!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:54 pm 
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Dukes wrote:
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Not using pick 19 on the best 18 year old available showed me that we are in still in denial about how far back we actually are. We are yet to embrace the draft in any meaningful way and we still rely on picks in the third round and later to get ourselves key position players.

I agree the Boekhorst selection was bizarre.
Comment about KPP's isn't correct as we traded for Jaksch in the first round.


I was excluding trades as I still believe in the draft as the primary mechanism to build quality in all positions (especially key position). Henderson and Jaksch have certainly been nice pick-ups but here's our record over the last five drafts in addressing the issue of quality talls given our list departures and age profile:

2014 - Jayden Foster (63)
2013 - Cameron Giles (39)
2012 - nothing
2011 - Sam Rowe (44)
2010 - Watson (18), McCarthy (34), Mitchell (42), McInnes (67)

You have to go back 10 years to 2005 where we took JK (4) and Bower (20). TEN F--KING YEARS! Only drafting one key position player inside 20 (Watson) for the last 10 years (in that time we drafted Kreuzer at 1 and Hampson at 17) has absolutely killed us.

Make no mistake, the pain of our poor drafting is yet to really hit us.


It's not just that we don't take KPPs early, it's the fact that we view them as afterthoughts. We've had chances to take quality tall players with later picks and we have failed to do so. 90% of our recruiting is patch-up work regardless of their age or playing position. We don't look ahead, it influences how we rate players as well as how we trade.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:07 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
yeah i agree hollywood

i think what we were doing off season has been a disaster for whatever reasons

and no matter how we dice it.. the opening 2 rounds are tragic even my our mediocre standards over the years

the list is incredibly low on the kinds of players we need

but there must be a heap more to this than meets the eye


Do you know anymore?

I have been thinking something must be up off field, because with largely the same side which was playing spirited, competitive football in the later part of last year is now playing like Melbourne under Mark Neeld.

I predicted us to finish 16th but I thought we would be competitive most of the time just lack class.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:37 am 
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no last time i heard.. prior to start of season.. we had got rid of the bad eggs and everybody was singing from the same songbook now...
and that whether we made the eight or not we would give a good account of ourselves

so far things have not gone according to plan....

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:38 am 
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just prior to the start of the season... like inside the last week...

everybody was buoyant

since then though.... the assistants havent felt secure..... that was the first time i heard something was up in the playing group....

lol

what a shit club!!!

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