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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:52 am 
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WE'RE ALL DOOMED I TELLS YA!!

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Actually, I haven't been through the latest Annual Report but i suspect that given our fading glory and the need to ask the AFL to bring forward some of our $$ I think I read about, perhaps Hysteria is one of the few things we still can afford!!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:59 am 
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Not using pick 19 on the best 18 year old available showed me that we are in still in denial about how far back we actually are. We are yet to embrace the draft in any meaningful way and we still rely on picks in the third round and later to get ourselves key position players.

I agree the Boekhorst selection was bizarre.
Comment about KPP's isn't correct as we traded for Jaksch in the first round.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:49 am 
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i certainly believed it was a bizarro selection with that pick at the time

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:07 am 
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2ndeffort wrote:
WE'RE ALL DOOMED I TELLS YA!!

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Actually, I haven't been through the latest Annual Report but i suspect that given our fading glory and the need to ask the AFL to bring forward some of our $$ I think I read about, perhaps Hysteria is one of the few things we still can afford!!

:D:lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:22 am 
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It's only hysteria if it's not true.

To me, all the criticism is totally justified. The major problem is that the last couple of years have seen some bizarre list management decisions that in no way give me any comfort that we are planning for the future. Not using pick 19 on the best 18 year old available showed me that we are in still in denial about how far back we actually are. We are yet to embrace the draft in any meaningful way and we still rely on picks in the third round and later to get ourselves key position players.


Which may have been excused if he played round 1.. or round 2. And showed signs. But a 21y/o who didn't grow up playing football... at pick 19, just to run around in the magoos and not really stand out at all.

Should have taken Goddard.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:27 am 
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That would have meant, in exchange for our original first round pick:

Hugh Goddard (age 20) and Kristian Jaksch (age 19). Both 195cm, key position prospects. And we got Whiley who might turn into a really good big-bodied tagger to replace Curnow/Carrots soon (he tagged Pendelbury last year, who was full of praise at how well he did).

That itself would have been a solid draft. With DvR and Clem Smith speculatives.

But no, we get Brokehurst because we lack outside run. OK fine, we lack outside run. At least we'd have some potentially decent talls in play. Now we have neither outside run, and one less tall in our system.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:30 am 
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If HG is 20 why didn't we draft him 2 drafts ago for essentially free?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:02 am 
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Dukes wrote:
Not using pick 19 on the best 18 year old available showed me that we are in still in denial about how far back we actually are. We are yet to embrace the draft in any meaningful way and we still rely on picks in the third round and later to get ourselves key position players.

I agree the Boekhorst selection was bizarre.
Comment about KPP's isn't correct as we traded for Jaksch in the first round.


I was excluding trades as I still believe in the draft as the primary mechanism to build quality in all positions (especially key position). Henderson and Jaksch have certainly been nice pick-ups but here's our record over the last five drafts in addressing the issue of quality talls given our list departures and age profile:

2014 - Jayden Foster (63)
2013 - Cameron Giles (39)
2012 - nothing
2011 - Sam Rowe (44)
2010 - Watson (18), McCarthy (34), Mitchell (42), McInnes (67)

You have to go back 10 years to 2005 where we took JK (4) and Bower (20). TEN F--KING YEARS! Only drafting one key position player inside 20 (Watson) for the last 10 years (in that time we drafted Kreuzer at 1 and Hampson at 17) has absolutely killed us.

Make no mistake, the pain of our poor drafting is yet to really hit us.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:36 am 
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Isnt Boekhurst supposed to be 'the next Issac Smith' ? lol
In all seriousness, we should give the kid a go before we start potting him.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:40 am 
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i certainly believed it was a bizarro selection with that pick at the time


What made it worse was that some lady knew who our first and second round pick was and went public with this information before the draft.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:47 am 
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Dukes wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Dukes wrote:
Not using pick 19 on the best 18 year old available showed me that we are in still in denial about how far back we actually are. We are yet to embrace the draft in any meaningful way and we still rely on picks in the third round and later to get ourselves key position players.

I agree the Boekhorst selection was bizarre.
Comment about KPP's isn't correct as we traded for Jaksch in the first round.


I was excluding trades as I still believe in the draft as the primary mechanism to build quality in all positions (especially key position). Henderson and Jaksch have certainly been nice pick-ups but here's our record over the last five drafts in addressing the issue of quality talls given our list departures and age profile:

2014 - Jayden Foster (63)
2013 - Cameron Giles (39)
2012 - nothing
2011 - Sam Rowe (44)
2010 - Watson (18), McCarthy (34), Mitchell (42), McInnes (67)

You have to go back 10 years to 2005 where we took JK (4) and Bower (20). TEN F--KING YEARS! Only drafting one key position player inside 20 (Watson) for the last 10 years (in that time we drafted Kreuzer at 1 and Hampson at 17) has absolutely killed us.

Make no mistake, the pain of our poor drafting is yet to really hit us.


Almost certain that we'd drafted Dr Jekyll during that time.

Or was it Mr Hyde?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:59 am 
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We stuffed up all out first round picks for 2009,10,11
But that was easy due to drafts either being weak (2009) or compromised 2010 and 11

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:00 am 
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Later picks in all those drafts aren't followed by anything great we missed out on if memory serves.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:03 am 
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dane wrote:
We stuffed up all out first round picks for 2009,10,11
But that was easy due to drafts either being weak (2009) or compromised 2010 and 11


..talia and darling go alright..

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:04 am 
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I acknowledged that.
The worst is Watson as there were a few options following.

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2ndeffort wrote:
WE'RE ALL DOOMED I TELLS YA!!

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Actually, I haven't been through the latest Annual Report but i suspect that given our fading glory and the need to ask the AFL to bring forward some of our $$ I think I read about, perhaps Hysteria is one of the few things we still can afford!!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:40 am 
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dane wrote:
We stuffed up all out first round picks for 2009,10,11
But that was easy due to drafts either being weak (2009) or compromised 2010 and 11


We stuffed up all our first round picks in 2005, 2006 and 2007 as well Dane.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:07 pm 
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we just stuffed up our picks.. thats why its sooo bad on the board now...

but it cant be just our recruiting... theres got to be more

can u smell what we were cooking???

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:16 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
can u smell what we were cooking???


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