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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:36 am 
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Krooz is not a forward :banghead:

Can't play him on ball for 120 minutes; probably would be able to extract 90 out of him in that capacity. Drifts forward well but needs to learn to be a resting forward option consistently to get the most out of both he and a player like Casboult.

Has done ok out of the square on occasion, but needs to improve his overhead marking. Sadly the techniques for good ruckwork and good marks are almost directly opposing to one another.


Thanks jimmae.

Kreuzer becomes a big target and straightens us up like Casboult does.
Has presence. He's a straight kick too...mostly.
I'll leave the empirical evidence to BKB on Kreuzer.

We need a midfield group that will get the ball forward.
We did that 33 times in 120 minutes of footy last night...barely making the arc just like last weak numbers were weak yet flattering. The delivery was random.

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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
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How about we trial them in different combinations during the preseason and see what works?


How rad would that be?!
Crazy shit.

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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
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I don't think we can afford to have 3 plodders in the forward line. We need an athletic mobile CHF and I would like to see Everitt given a chance to hold down a spot and given the responsibility. I think he would thrive on it. He does what is asked in most roles but I think trialling him at CHF would be worth the risk.

With Casboult at FF and Jones in a FP this allows Henderson to play CHB where I think he is most confident and has played his best football to date.


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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:22 pm 
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Stuff it, just play Jaksch and Casboult there. Jaksch is probably not quite ready but we're not going to be winning anything anyway so give him some experience there. Play Walker, Menzel and Yarran forward to help support them. Hendo can go play CHB. He can always go back to CHB if Jaksch has too much of a struggle on a particular day.


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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:31 pm 
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jim wrote:
Stuff it, just play Jaksch and Casboult there. Jaksch is probably not quite ready but we're not going to be winning anything anyway so give him some experience there. Play Walker, Menzel and Yarran forward to help support them. Hendo can go play CHB. He can always go back to CHB if Jaksch has too much of a struggle on a particular day.


Jaksch is the future there but a couple of years down back playing on some of the better forwards wouldn't hurt his education until he fills out a bit.


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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
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bondiblue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
bax wrote:
Krooz is not a forward :banghead:

Can't play him on ball for 120 minutes; probably would be able to extract 90 out of him in that capacity. Drifts forward well but needs to learn to be a resting forward option consistently to get the most out of both he and a player like Casboult.

Has done ok out of the square on occasion, but needs to improve his overhead marking. Sadly the techniques for good ruckwork and good marks are almost directly opposing to one another.


Thanks jimmae.

Kreuzer becomes a big target and straightens us up like Casboult does.
Has presence. He's a straight kick too...mostly.
I'll leave the empirical evidence to BKB on Kreuzer.

We need a midfield group that will get the ball forward.
We did that 33 times in 120 minutes of footy last night...barely making the arc just like last weak numbers were weak yet flattering. The delivery was random.



..thanx bondi.. ....like bolt, krooz will lead straight and hard at the kicker.. ..but he isn't a good overhead mark, not many ruckman are.. ..as I was saying years ago, like jimmae agrees, ruckwork opposes marking ability.. ..if krooz can ruck, you let him ruck.. ..as much as he can handle when fit.... ..the drive he gives us from the middle, and the way he plays sets the tone for his follower's.. ..the idea he is too short to be a modern ruckman is bollocks, look at mummy in the ruck, and he is 198/199..

..but there's a good chance the club broke krooz.. ..once again, wait and see if he can comeback from the busted foot.. ....but even if he does come back and does improve his forward craft, resting ruckman are the bit on the side to the forward structure.. ..bolt being expected to be one of the two main forwards won't work, because ruckman are part time forwards by virtue of their role.. ..you need two full time key forwards so the rest of the team can have synergy with hem.. ..players popping in and out of their are not to underpin the forward line..

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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
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..I don't like this idea of developing a tall forward in the back line because 'they are not ready' for kpf.. ..there is no soft place on the field to nurse players in.. ..and developing them in a different role does not fast track their future role.. ..if anything, it holds them back.. ..i'd play kj as a forward.. ..let him run.. ..i'd play watto ahead of Jones, I think he'd give more (which wouldn't be hard).. ....I still like Hendo as a fwd, swinging him back every second game won't help him get better.. ....we just need other forwards that work as hard as he does..

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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
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I'm no forwards coach but at one point last night all three of Levi, jones and Henderson all kicked to each other and marked.......... In our defensive 50.


Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't they supposed to be up the other end of the ground???

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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
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Rabbit wrote:
jim wrote:
Stuff it, just play Jaksch and Casboult there. Jaksch is probably not quite ready but we're not going to be winning anything anyway so give him some experience there. Play Walker, Menzel and Yarran forward to help support them. Hendo can go play CHB. He can always go back to CHB if Jaksch has too much of a struggle on a particular day.


Jaksch is the future there but a couple of years down back playing on some of the better forwards wouldn't hurt his education until he fills out a bit.


He'll be ok. If he's having a struggle he can always go back and swap with Henderson.


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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
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ryan2000 wrote:
I'm no forwards coach but at one point last night all three of Levi, jones and Henderson all kicked to each other and marked.......... In our defensive 50.


Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't they supposed to be up the other end of the ground???


Dead right Ryan.

I think people forget that the midfield were thrashed last night, not necessarily with the first touch but certainly the link.

Forwards chasing kicks and being moved into defence to get a kick was due to the lack of a link and run forward from mids.

It's not entirely fault of the KPFs. Jones hasn't been given a chance, Casboult made chances because of his ability to mark, despite the fact he can't mick well.

Walker and Yarran closer to the mids might help, but geez the mids should be prepared to die for the ball before they give up. We need them to get desperate for the ball and hit the opposition like they're the enemy.

We can turn this around. We need to stop the 4 tags and believe we can win the nut!

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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
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bondiblue wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
I'm no forwards coach but at one point last night all three of Levi, jones and Henderson all kicked to each other and marked.......... In our defensive 50.


Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't they supposed to be up the other end of the ground???


Dead right Ryan.

I think people forget that the midfield were thrashed last night, not necessarily with the first touch but certainly the link.

Forwards chasing kicks and being moved into defence to get a kick was due to the lack of a link and run forward from mids.

It's not entirely fault of the KPFs. Jones hasn't been given a chance, Casboult made chances because of his ability to mark, despite the fact he can't mick well.

Walker and Yarran closer to the mids might help, but geez the mids should be prepared to die for the ball before they give up. We need them to get desperate for the ball and hit the opposition like they're the enemy.

We can turn this around. We need to stop the 4 tags and believe we can win the nut!


It's all Kick Malthouse's fault.

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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:33 pm 
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At least Jones can kick the ball. Worth persisting with from what I've seen. All our tall forwards are going to struggle, if we're only getting it inside 50 30 times a game.

Like to see him lay a few tackles. But pretty hard when we've got no nippy forwards to apply defensive pressure and it's left up to our lumbering talls.


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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
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we often win the contested footy and then its the next touch or the touch after that which lets us down

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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
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Sav Rocca at the Club on a P/T Basis can hopefully help Levi with his kicking

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2 weeks into the season we decide to hire a coach?

what the @#$%&! happened all pre season?

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 Post subject: Re: Our Tall Forwards
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grrofunger wrote:
2 weeks into the season we decide to hire a coach?

what the @#$%&! happened all pre season?

rabble


100% agree. Have they just realised that Cas is not such a good shot at goal? Seriously?
I'd feel better if MM was just giving another job to an old mate.


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Trigg was barely CEO before the off-season turnover, and we don't know what Sav's schedule was like (they would have just wrapped up talent evaluation in the NFL).

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grrofunger wrote:
2 weeks into the season we decide to hire a coach?

what the @#$%&! happened all pre season?

rabble


3AW Sports Today ‏@3AWSportsToday 1m1 minute ago

Lloyd re: Sav Rocca helping Levi Casboult: 'Strange timing. I don't think you can change much mid-season. November would have been better'

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jimmae wrote:
Trigg was barely CEO before the off-season turnover, and we don't know what Sav's schedule was like (they would have just wrapped up talent evaluation in the NFL).


excuses, excuses


its a good thing a whole pre-season and the first 2 weeks of the season mean nothing in the grand scheme of a whole year

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its ok, the saviour is here now

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