Carlton has average talent and when they are down on confidence they are going to get beaten like this sometimes. It's mostly not Micks fault they lack a few quality players and a bit of mongrel. He's only been there for a couple of drafts or so and the players he's gathering and developing gradually are decent quality.

For those of you squealing over Waite and Garlett; they were patchy performers with poor attitudes and bad for our club. Garlett was off the rails by the end of last year and Waite was given many chances by the club to grow a pair. Waite is a sometimes performer with a sometimes body and is well into his 30s FFS. Eddie was a big loss but he was so so in the last year and wanted overs for his form at the time. He wanted to go back to S.A to be with his ill father anyway in the end.

Mick knows players like Carrazzo, Curnow, Warnock etc are not up to standard. They've reached full potential and it's not enough and he knows it. But he has turned over half the list so what else is he supposed to do for gods sake?!!

He made an error in the last 2 weeks in having Smith as a Sub but I guarantee no coach is without fault week to week. (Smith actually looks too small and slow in general. He has evasive talent and good in traffic with awareness but I'm not sure if he is AFL material with just that - in the end pick 60 is just a punt anyway FFS).

There is plenty of potential improvement in the list for this year. I still don't think its impossible the 8 is beyond us.

Mick is trying to develop a team first mantra for the players and a decent list ravaged by at least 15 years of shite recruitment and penaltys. So while he does this ALL YOU SUPPORTERS CALLING FOR EVERY PLAYER AND COACHES RESIGNATION ON THIS FORUM WHO CARRY ON LIKE SPOILT BRATS ARE IRONICALLY MORE AKIN TO BRUCE MATHIESON AND THE OTHER IMPATIENT TWATS THAT HAVE HARMED THIS CLUB WITH IMPATIENCE. TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT YOURSELVES FOR A CHANGE. YOU ARE MORE EMBARASSING THAN THE TEAM AT THE MOMENT.


It actually takes a large pair of balls to be patient. Patience is tough and sorts boys from men just like every other virtue on and off the field. I think a lot of you on here don't have the guts to be patient and give the coach a chance to prove his worth quite frankly.

Who has been recruited to the club since MM arrived?

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

I agree with you philosophically, but you're a bit harsh on Curnow there.

We do need to stand by Mick and the players, this is our lot for 2014 and there is room to improve.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Mick is fully responsible for the way the Club has brought in players into the Club in the last few years. We badly needed some Young Talent and blood to start re-building the Club, but Mick and his pathetic Recruiters continued to give away Valuable Draft picks for Recycled Hacks and then when it came to picking our first draft pick which is the only Hope we have of developing a 10 year player, Mick Went for a mature aged player who has Big Question Marks over him!!


Gartlett & Waite had more Value than the Rubbish we have now, depsite all the OFF field issues/Injuries they had.

The Worst part of it all is living in Denial. Despite all the Evidence we have seen, Mick and his Coaching panels continue to deny responsibility and take ownership of what went Wrong. How hard is it to say I stuffed up?

I think you're in the wrong thread Dodo: http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33240&start=4540

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"If everyone is moving forward together, then success takes care of itself" - Henry Ford

How much time is time? We have been going backwards ever since he took over.

Jaksch, Wiley, Jones, Docherty, Cripps, Thomas, Menzel, Byrne, Sheehan, Boekhurst, Rainbow could all be very handy players if shown a bit of faith and time.

Thanks Jimmae, I see what you're saying about Curnow - he is rather one dimensional but I guess if every player played their role like he does we would be a lot better off.

..BB was our recruiters choice.. .?had been watching him for a few years, pretty much said others didn't agree but it was his call..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

2.2 years is not enough time to decide a coach isn't up to it after inheriting an average list and questionable player culture. You haven't even given Menzel or Cripps or Boekhurst - our top line picks - a chance to prove themselves. Our top trade just dislocated his arm. Give them a break.

If he doesn't voluntarily stand down after breaking the record he will be here for 5 just like Ratten and Pagan

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

And if that happens there will be massive numbers of people not renewing their membership.

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

That's assuming he can't turn this around. Pagan gave up arguing, Ratten ran out of answers; Mick's not short on either behind closed doors.

Just the stubborn prick this club might need.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

I think so. It is going to take a stubborn prick who won't care what the uneducated masses think.

He has done it before, has seen most things in football and still has the will to do it.

It will obviously take more than the coach, most agree the club needs a shake up but bringing in a young coach at this point won't change anything in the long term and just prematurely end another young coaches career.

Bring in the next coach in 2018 and give Mick the time to sort some of these problems out. Quick fixes will get us nowhere.

He's gone.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Time is Given with Patience when we see some improvements, even a tiny bit, But we are not Improving... We are getting from bad to Worse, and it got to a point where our Senior players can not finish off Games....So the Question is " When do we Start re-building and go through 5 years of pain before we see some gains? "

Every year we say this is the year to re-build but all the recruiters do is look for short fixes and re-cycled players and we end up missing on Young talents..

PS: Did we not have a pick inside the top 10 in 2014 in which we so cheaply gave away and swapped for a later pick?

It's a test for La guidace to see if he has the fortitude to stand up to the uninformed masses and give malthouse 2 years to rebuild the list. We have made recruiting errors. Broke hurst is likely one and letting betts go another but Everitt, Docherty, jaksch and jones are good recruits. Far better than 2002 to 2012 when all were busts. People who are worshipping Waite, Robinson and Garlett have a biased view of history. Appoint Mick for 2 years but the club should appoint the assistants

Dodo that trade was Jaksch + Whiley + Pick 19 (later used on Boekhorst) for Pick 7

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.