they made a grand final in 97. There is hope for us yet.

I presume you meant the 80's. We aren't that bad (are we?)

Rubbish.

Why is it the coach that needs to challenge the players.

These are grown men playing professional football with all their needs catered for.

They should have all the effort, heart, desire, courage and commitment from within, whenever they step on the ground.

If they need it pulled out of them or inspired to do it then we have the wrong players with the wrong attitude and this is clearly evident for the main.

Rubbish.

Why is it the coach that needs to challenge the players.

These are grown men playing professional football with all their needs catered for.

They should have all the effort, heart, desire, courage and commitment from within, whenever they step on the ground.

If they need it pulled out of them or inspired to do it then we have the wrong players with the wrong attitude and this is clearly evident for the main.

It is not all Mick's fault, but going for a bitter ego driven coach who looks out of touch is not a way forward, we obviously hopelessly over rated our list. And why does Mick fumble over players names and have to keep looking at the team list to work out who is actually in the team.

clearly not in mickys job description

maybe he wouldn't have to get them excited about playing a game they love instead of the under 9's football they are made to play

he has sucked the life out of the enjoyment of the game, not only for us but for them also

Awful. Bottom four talent, bottom one desire, desperation, endeavour etc. i didn't want Mick or Ratts I wanted an open process to get the best coach. At season's end Mick will go, but there won't be any process, we will appoint Voss because he was a good player, forget that he is another failed coach. Yes it is from the top. We seem to be hostage to a few rich families who appear to have a dilettante appproach to footy and don't actually know much about it. Until we can break feee of the Mathiesons and the Pratts we will continue in terminal decline. There must be someone else out there with money and some passion for the club that can get a ticket together.

The club has always treated the supporters like crap, but when we were good we put up with it. Now we are terrible the disconnect btn supporters and decision makers is stark. Those running the club never cared abt supporters and now there are no credits in the bank, and most of us have fallen out of love with our club. And with the current board i can't see us ever making smart long term decisions.

It is not all Mick's fault, but going for a bitter ego driven coach who looks out of touch is not a way forward, we obviously hopelessly over rated our list. And why does Mick fumble over players names and have to keep looking at the team list to work out who is actually in the team.

It is so infuriating that in ten years of good picks we have got so little, and how can we have drafted virtually no one with leadership skills. Murphy is not a leader but who if not him.

I thought we had a great preseason? How come Jammo, Murphy, henderson are in such terrible form. hows the draft looking? Maybe if we get a few high picks we can trade them for another brock McClean.

Excellent trait for a coach.

how the @#$%&! is it not micks fault?

so you think we are using rattens plans still? we sacked that guy and bought in this old man to fix up rattens mess..... but mick is still using rattens mess but thats not micks fault ... thats rattens

jimmae, sorry to break it to you, but you're trying to defend the indefensible.

we may have played terribly tonight, but you cant blame a 3 year old game plan on it and not look at the current coach . if malthouse was half the coach he thinks he is, he would have broken those patterns by now

Grro may be pissed off, but he is also justifying his arguments. of course it is on Mick if he cant break 3 year old habits, or change match-ups.

remember, Barassi once said, dont think - do!. cant see that logic coming out of Mick, just piss poor erxcuses

There is an indecent haste on here to blame the players (Gibbs and Murphy are high on many lists) and alleged obsessions with their looks.

Does anyone seriously believe that no club in the league would take them? Every club would. They are the least of our problems. Murph has not been in great form but was okay last night. Gibbs worked hard and at least got the footy.

The issue is the lack of midfield depth. It was poor last year and we lost Robbo, McLean, Scotland, Lucas and even Jeffy (more of a forward).

Surround Gibbs and Murph with decent mids and they would be the cream we expect. Most clubs run with 10-12 decent mids. We would be lucky to have five after the main two. Umm... Judd... umm... maybe one.

Given our lack of midfield depth and the inability to replenish the list, we are stuffed.

Last year we draft Boekhurst (not playing) and Rainbow (HBF). We traded in Tutt, Dick, Jones, Whiley and Jacksh. I still have hopes for these, but with Foster and Fields, we brought in 7 mature players. Don't tell me the coach doesn't have a role in this.

Of the 46 on the list, 25 have come in under Malthouse's watch. At least 12 of these were mature agers or on their second club. This is not a club rebuilding, it is a club that is looking for success. Malthouse took over thinking we were close. He said so.

Who cares what he says in public so long as he doesn't sound batshit insane.

Thought the same.
Quite telling when he was fumbling around for the names of our leaders and could only come up with Judd, Simpson and, after as an afterthought, Jamison.
No more needs to be said, really.

i can't believe i just sat through that garbage at that shithole subiaco stadium with all those @#$%&! moron eagles supporters

actually those moron eagle supporters are the highlight of the night... THEY ARE BACK FOLKS !!!!., their idiot supporters are back !... 'top 4 !!!' ....'gee freo would be scared for next week watching this'.......'eagles...clap clap clap'

absolute wankers of the highest order

and they can shove their plastic song up their granny arseholes

clearly not in mickys job description

maybe he wouldn't have to get them excited about playing a game they love instead of the under 9's football they are made to play

he has sucked the life out of the enjoyment of the game, not only for us but for them also

Last year we draft Boekhurst (not playing) and Rainbow (HBF). We traded in Tutt, Dick, Jones, Whiley and Jacksh. I still have hopes for these, but with Foster and Fields, we brought in 7 mature players. Don't tell me the coach doesn't have a role in this.

Of the 46 on the list, 25 have come in under Malthouse's watch. At least 12 of these were mature agers or on their second club. This is not a club rebuilding, it is a club that is looking for success. Malthouse took over thinking we were close. He said so.

We have gone backwards under Malthouse. Massively. And people on here still blame Ratts.

On here, Ratts was responsible for drafting when he was coach but Malty is still trying to rid the club of his gameplan three years later. Laughable.

I was ropeable with our drafting for what it meant. We drafted/traded for now. Not for the future. I am not against smart trading (the Jacksh deal was a good one) but filthy on the drafting of Boekhurst. Nothing against him but you don't take a 21 year old kid who has played one season of WAFL footy with your first pick. Not unless he is the 'missing' piece of the puzzle such as Taylor at Geelong or Smith at Hawthorn.

And to crown it, he can't even get a game!

We haven't stockpiled picks or used them wisely. Not for a long time. If ever.

I wouldn't be so dirty if I knew Malthouse would do the right thing and plan for a future. Punt on Menzel, Buckley, Cripps, Graham, Whiley, Jacksch etc and play them all every week. Drop the taggers and tell the players to get the ball for a change. That won't happen. He will coach for a contract and blame the club for the performances.

Every man for himself.