The club has cancer and it appears inoperable...we are breeding for failure all over again. You need to start all over again to properly eradicate it and that is not possible.

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Circumstance has no value. It is how one relates to a situation that has value. All true meaning resides in the personal relationship to a phenomenon, what it means to you.

mark will fix it with trigg

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Your taking the piss again aren't you Synners?

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Circumstance has no value. It is how one relates to a situation that has value. All true meaning resides in the personal relationship to a phenomenon, what it means to you.

When the players united as one and not the coach say that they believe that they can't see themselves losing a game this year then I'll believe

Right now 80% of them have no idea and should hand back their pay cheques

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"IF YOU FAIL TO PREPARE, YOU'RE PREPARED TO FAIL" - Mark Spitz

the guts of the decision making has been the same for a decade

by appointing new heads does not change the culture

just as sacking fev waite garlett mitch wont

because the club is the same club

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Excellent trait for a coach.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

What - no criticism of Barker?

Our backline structures were awful, incredibly predictable and ill-fitting last night.

Chip chip chip up the boundary, requiring multiple leads of our more lazier mids that weren't provided, and kicking skills that just aren't up to it. Eagles seemed content before Kennedy started @#$%&! shit up to lob it to the top of the 50 rather than the top of the goalsquare, knowing that we would exert far too much energy to gain maybe 20-30m and then gamble on our foot skills being too shoddy to score on the rebound.

What happened to the barrel down the corridor from Jamison/Tuohy which at least broke up the monotony during the preseason? Steadfast refusal to switch play to the non-fat side of the ground seemed odd too.

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

The club is in a state of transition. For too long our philosophy was to buy talent into the club and let the rest take care of itself, premierships, sponsors, notoriety, etc. unfortunately for us, this philosophy carried through to the modern day, and has been recognised that we can't simply continue with this philosophy, point in case Chris Judd, Richard Pratt. For us members and supporters, we recognised this years ago.

The transition is not an overnight one. There will be remnants of 'the old way' play out until such time the dna is totally overhauled, and performances such as last night, are a legacy of what and how we believed to develop a list and club. It's all encompassing. Think of it like renovating, rewiring, and replumbing an old house.

It's a long road ahead for us a club. A new way of doing things is long overdue, and critical decisions on how the way football and administration is run at the club, is vital to the transition. Most importantly as many have pointed out on here, is the boards attitude to all this.

Let's not forget the message to us members and supporters. Take us on the journey.

Efforts like last night are no excuse. Players should be on notice.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

Awful. Bottom four talent, bottom one desire, desperation, endeavour etc. i didn't want Mick or Ratts I wanted an open process to get the best coach. At season's end Mick will go, but there won't be any process, we will appoint Voss because he was a good player, forget that he is another failed coach. Yes it is from the top. We seem to be hostage to a few rich families who appear to have a dilettante appproach to footy and don't actually know much about it. Until we can break feee of the Mathiesons and the Pratts we will continue in terminal decline. There must be someone else out there with money and some passion for the club that can get a ticket together.

The club has always treated the supporters like crap, but when we were good we put up with it. Now we are terrible the disconnect btn supporters and decision makers is stark. Those running the club never cared abt supporters and now there are no credits in the bank, and most of us have fallen out of love with our club. And with the current board i can't see us ever making smart long term decisions.

It is not all Mick's fault, but going for a bitter ego driven coach who looks out of touch is not a way forward, we obviously hopelessly over rated our list. And why does Mick fumble over players names and have to keep looking at the team list to work out who is actually in the team.

It is so infuriating that in ten years of good picks we have got so little, and how can we have drafted virtually no one with leadership skills. Murphy is not a leader but who if not him.

I thought we had a great preseason? How come Jammo, Murphy, henderson are in such terrible form. hows the draft looking? Maybe if we get a few high picks we can trade them for another brock McClean.

I feel for you grro,
and Juddy and all of us poor fools stuck with this club and wanting some joy and hope back.
What a 'mare.

Not a popular view but I also miss the days of quirky personalities.
Its music to my ears that the tide has turned on MM..it turned on the running of the joint years ago.
I dont want MM there for the rebuild.
I dont want a group of mind numbingly dull player soldiers.
I want a joyful inspired gang of talent.. strong personalities and all
Who want to take the game on
And will ignore stupid instructions from a dinosaur coach.
That kicking the ball round till we turn it over???????
Omfg
#*@# right off.
Ps. Where the hec is Dylan Buckley?
Have we ruined him yet??

Pps. No point regretting Kennedy. He'd have been a dud with us anyway.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

The club ate my homework?

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

He was.

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Oh no rexy
Mick has total faith in Buttifant
He said so.
He said last nite only the players are to blame
Loud & clear.
Not coaches..not drafting..not management.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

I think we might have to wait until every gorged-on-8-flags supporter over the age of fifty is dead (me included), perhaps then (if we survive and are better than Melbourne) we might resurrect ourselves like Collingwood (or we may drift like Richmond or die like Fitzroy).

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I dont want this coach rebuilding our club.
Now is the time for a rival ticket to get up.
Sweep the place clean.
But please..give us a talented passionate innovating coach who dares..
And challenges the players to be creative
too.
Is it too much to want a coach who inspires his players to be their best?

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

we are the 1990's version of st kilda.

..we have an uncoachable list.. ..soft lazy weak players mixed with selfish types and those too dumb to follow a game plan.. ..any game plan, it doesn't matter.. ..and no bonfire leaders.. ..a few players that will give their all, and try to mentor others.. ..but no one that demands others give their all, or else.. .on one with that ruthless streak..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

We are St Kilda

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A Life!.....Great....I wonder where I can download one of those.

they made a grand final in 97. There is hope for us yet.

I presume you meant the 80's. We aren't that bad (are we?)

Rubbish.

Why is it the coach that needs to challenge the players.

These are grown men playing professional football with all their needs catered for.

They should have all the effort, heart, desire, courage and commitment from within, whenever they step on the ground.

If they need it pulled out of them or inspired to do it then we have the wrong players with the wrong attitude and this is clearly evident for the main.