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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:51 pm 
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Jimmae, that side looks very slow to me. I know we may not be able to do much about it with our list, but Rowe, Jamo & Hendo all in the backline? The opposition will dance around them and turn them inside out. I think we need to decide on either Rowe or Hendo back there with Jamo.

Again, this is shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic, but......

B: Simmo Jamo Tuohy
HB: Yarran Rowe Everitt
C: Docherty Judd Carrazzo
HF: Murphy Hendo Bell
F: Tutt Jones Casboult

R: Wood Gibbs Curnow

Inter: Buckley, Byrne, Menzel
Sub: Ellard

In- Buckley, Byrne
Out- White (inj), Smith

On form, there's half a dozen or so players named above who wouldn't get a game in just about any other side in the competition.

Cripps could maybe come in for Curnow or Carrazzo but I'm worried about his inability to spread. I doubt he would add much value at the moment.

No point playing Walker or Whiley if they are underdone, even as Sub. We are struggling to run out quarters as it is.

It will be a baptism of fire for Byrne, playing in our backline.....

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:06 am 
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ABNS, Jones isn't running out games right now.

Wood isn't running out games right now.

Menzel, Tutt, Smith, Ellard, Gibbs and Judd didn't run out the game.

If you spread 120 minutes per on-ground player evenly across the 21 possible players at a given time, you're looking at a little under 86% game time for each player. Obviously forwards and backs take on a little bit more, and the blokes in at the stoppage take on a little less, but when Gibbs is at 77% that's a little off the pace.

Judd - 73%
White & Smith combined - 75%
Jones - 88%
Menzel - 71%
Wood - 82%
Casboult - 87%

In contrast their sub combination managed 56%, and then it was Nelson on 76%, Nicnat 75% and the next lowest was 81%. Same number of rotations, had a similar setback that needed a substitution, but they spread the load.

For us the coaching group is the same; the fitness staff is the same, so I suspect they are lying about our fitness levels. They're off the pace right now but that might be the plan. I don't expect us to turn into a top 4 side or even a top 8 side from that but there is room for improvement.

We're not going to see that with Jones, Smith, Carrazzo and Ellard in the team. Gibbs built up from 71% last week and will play a full match next week. Judd will probably pull out 76% without any drama. That will make a difference, but we need more from the peripheral midfielders.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:09 am 
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Rowe should never play another senior game at this club, his past 2 weeks have been below VFL standard.
Jamison has almost been as bad as Rowe, if we had any KPD depth i'd drop them both,
Ellard WOW, if they can't see he's not an AFL footballers arsehole what hope do we have.
Clem not even close to ready, are Graham and Holman injured? We don't play our 2nd and 3rd year players. At least they can get get the ball from time to time and have been known to hit a target occasionally
When did we stop doing tackling drills? We were a good tackling side 3 or 4 years ago, they all look confused! It is a circus out there.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:12 am 
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smithy wrote:
Rowe should never play another senior game at this club, his past 2 weeks have been below VFL standard.
Jamison has almost been as bad as Rowe, if we had any KPD depth i'd drop them both,
Ellard WOW, if they can't see he's not an AFL footballers arsehole what hope do we have.
Clem not even close to ready, are Graham and Holman injured? We don't play our 2nd and 3rd year players. At least they can get get the ball from time to time and have been known to hit a target occasionally
When did we stop doing tackling drills? We were a good tackling side 3 or 4 years ago, they all look confused! It is a circus out there.



Rowe's entire time as a Carlton player has been below VFL standard.

He's simply not up to it, I'd say it 'astounds me that he gets a game' but then I remember that we actually don't have any other options. Which is just as ridiculous.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:23 am 
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Agro jr wrote:
smithy wrote:
Rowe should never play another senior game at this club, his past 2 weeks have been below VFL standard.
Jamison has almost been as bad as Rowe, if we had any KPD depth i'd drop them both,
Ellard WOW, if they can't see he's not an AFL footballers arsehole what hope do we have.
Clem not even close to ready, are Graham and Holman injured? We don't play our 2nd and 3rd year players. At least they can get get the ball from time to time and have been known to hit a target occasionally
When did we stop doing tackling drills? We were a good tackling side 3 or 4 years ago, they all look confused! It is a circus out there.



Rowe's entire time as a Carlton player has been below VFL standard.



Much to my surprise, I thought he had a very good year, last year.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:43 am 
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geez i hope carrazzo doesnt go down... we will be [REDACTED] if that happens...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:51 am 
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@#$%&! this game

you're just shuffling deck chairs on the titanic

in: shit players
out: shit players

no ins and outs are going to make a difference

the difference needs to be in the coaches box and with the ridiculous game style the coach is trying to get us to play

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:42 am 
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bluedog wrote:
Agro jr wrote:
smithy wrote:
Rowe should never play another senior game at this club, his past 2 weeks have been below VFL standard.
Jamison has almost been as bad as Rowe, if we had any KPD depth i'd drop them both,
Ellard WOW, if they can't see he's not an AFL footballers arsehole what hope do we have.
Clem not even close to ready, are Graham and Holman injured? We don't play our 2nd and 3rd year players. At least they can get get the ball from time to time and have been known to hit a target occasionally
When did we stop doing tackling drills? We were a good tackling side 3 or 4 years ago, they all look confused! It is a circus out there.



Rowe's entire time as a Carlton player has been below VFL standard.



Much to my surprise, I thought he had a very good year, last year.



You play anyone for that long and they might string a couple of decent games together. He's just so obviously not up standard, but unfortunately we have literally no one else (hence him getting a game every week)

He's stealing a living at Carlton, wouldn't get near a game at any other club.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:56 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Whiley isn't ready.


Outs:
Carrazzo - Mentally and tactically still very good, but physically off the pace at the moment. Back to the reserves to give the body a rest and refresh.
White - Injured and structurally an awful choice. Not quick enough for a stoppage role.
Ellard - Shouldn't have been picked in the first place but played manfully in a quick tempo game.
Smith - Not ready; fitness will improve over time
Jones - We've tried him in the forward structure but between his current tactical awareness (still learning our game style, the players) and his fitness (work rate was good in the first half but sagged off despite his continually trying to make contests) we need to move onto another forward target

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Byrne - pushes Tuohy, Docherty and Yarran further afield, because right now they are deep in defence when they get the ball unless they run repeat 80m sprints.
Buckley - attacking spark that can support midfield
Cripps - straight back in to provide more structure at the stoppages and offer spread through other players
Watson - rotate in a new forward target, preferably one that can make multiple goal scores from scraps
Walker - can play as the sub if he's right to go; another attacking spark with the work rate required for AFL footy


Carrazzo a rest and refresh? It's round 2!


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:23 am 
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yeah unfortunately rowe was a dead cat bouncing... pardon the connotation

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:07 am 
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This will be embarrassing, again.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:23 am 
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B: Simmo Jamo Tuohy Yarran Rowe Everitt Murphy Hendo Bell Wood
HB: Docherty Judd Carrazzo Tutt Casboult Gibbs Curnow
C: Jones
HF:
F:
R:


I can see that !@#$% smirk already


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:33 am 
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I think you've got Jones too close to goal.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:43 am 
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jimmae wrote:
ABNS, Jones isn't running out games right now.

Wood isn't running out games right now.

Menzel, Tutt, Smith, Ellard, Gibbs and Judd didn't run out the game.

If you spread 120 minutes per on-ground player evenly across the 21 possible players at a given time, you're looking at a little under 86% game time for each player. Obviously forwards and backs take on a little bit more, and the blokes in at the stoppage take on a little less, but when Gibbs is at 77% that's a little off the pace.

Judd - 73%
White & Smith combined - 75%
Jones - 88%
Menzel - 71%
Wood - 82%
Casboult - 87%

In contrast their sub combination managed 56%, and then it was Nelson on 76%, Nicnat 75% and the next lowest was 81%. Same number of rotations, had a similar setback that needed a substitution, but they spread the load.

For us the coaching group is the same; the fitness staff is the same, so I suspect they are lying about our fitness levels. They're off the pace right now but that might be the plan. I don't expect us to turn into a top 4 side or even a top 8 side from that but there is room for improvement.

We're not going to see that with Jones, Smith, Carrazzo and Ellard in the team. Gibbs built up from 71% last week and will play a full match next week. Judd will probably pull out 76% without any drama. That will make a difference, but we need more from the peripheral midfielders.


You'll get no argument from me that we lack run. Bringing in Watson & Cripps and an underdone Walker won't improve that.

Buttifant should be under as much or more scrutiny than MM. We don't look fit.

Add lack of fitness to a sub par list and we are clearly the worst team in the competition at the moment.

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I'm not sure I can watch it, the team is shot..

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Carlton will be well rested going into this game, having played only 2 quarters of football in the season so far

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:40 am 
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this has the makings to be the very final game of carlton i'll watch this decade.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:42 am 
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Rest of the year needs to be about trialling/getting experience into Cripps, Graham, Buckley, Fields, Byrne, Sheehan, Jaksch, Smith, Whiley, Dick, Walsh, Boekhurst, Foster.

We can then make some clear decisions on who is worth keeping.

No point in doing anything else.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:45 am 
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yeah graham isnt out there.. forgot about him

must play.. him and holman

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:48 am 
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King Kenny wrote:
Carrazzo a rest and refresh? It's round 2!

I think he still needs to build up his tank for the season; he's had interrupted seasons for the past 4, and I expect him to take time to be at 100%. Right now he's at about 90 for his age, and it's not good enough any more.

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You'll get no argument from me that we lack run. Bringing in Watson & Cripps and an underdone Walker won't improve that.

Buttifant should be under as much or more scrutiny than MM. We don't look fit.

Add lack of fitness to a sub par list and we are clearly the worst team in the competition at the moment.

Cripps lets others play more outside; less smashball means they are on the ground for longer and others get more of a rest which helps how we recycle the ball off HB and deliver it onto HF.

Watson can hold his ground better than Henderson or Jones, so he becomes another worthwhile target and if the ball is delivered to him 60 m out from goal you know he can nail a good pass or shot, as well as bring others into the game as his opponent focuses on him.

A non-match hardened Walker is better than an unfit Smith. He'll have an impact but he'd fade after a half, so play him in the second half. The next week he can go back to the VFL and get miles in the legs before returning in full the week after. The experienced head will help us steady the ship with Carrazzo and White out of the team.

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