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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:53 pm 
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Just watched the game and so ordinary in intensity, skills and effort. What were they doing all summer?



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:03 pm 
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Taff wrote:
Just watched the game and so ordinary in intensity, skills and effort. What were they doing all summer?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:07 pm 
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Every other team has focussed on fast ball movement and fitness.

I can't for the life of me see what Carlton has worked on in the off season.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:56 pm 
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They felt he would contribute year 1 though, so he'll need to improve heavily on his performances thus far


That's what I remember hearing on the BB selection.



..pillow talk to back up the selection.. ..every club does it more or less.. ....but if you look at the facts and come to your own conclusion.. ..he was never going to be contributing from round one.. ..how could he..?..

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:00 pm 
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Wojee wrote:
Every other team has focussed on fast ball movement and fitness.

I can't for the life of me see what Carlton has worked on in the off season.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:05 pm 
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Taff wrote:
Just watched the game and so ordinary in intensity, skills and effort. What were they doing all summer?



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:42 pm 
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I expected us to beat Richmond. Partly because we were told by the club that we had changed our ways, the list changes made over summer where for the better and we came up against the most unaccountable team in the league. Deep down I had a flicker of hope.

I now truly believe our club is in a lot of trouble. More trouble than salary cap Pagan punishment years.
MM has changed the list so much that it now includes more plodders than x-factors and game breakers and the game breakers we have are a shadow of themselves. Any hope I had going into this season has truly vanished after 1 game.

This is going to now take management some real b@lls to fix but more importantly it's going to take time. This is the most crucial point. The changes made will need to be inclusive of the members to keep the faith and give us hope. Membership cannot dwindle.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:50 pm 
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Aren't we in a rebuild?...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:58 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Aren't we in a rebuild?...


Well if we are, we are doing it wrong again. :wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:02 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Aren't we in a rebuild?...


Reno.....

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:14 pm 
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verbs wrote:
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verbs wrote:
I got as far as 1970. Didn't they teach paragraphs back then?


All class verbs.

I read it. Quite moving indeed. Have similar feelings as would long long time Carlton fans and members.

If you can't be bothered reading it, then don't bother commenting on it.

I'll be nice. You are rude.


Unusual for you.


Smart arse again?
If so, you're on a roll.
Look at the wickedness of your ways, and don't worry about me.
Let's stick to footy and show some respect to the site and what it stands for.
Footy only please.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:21 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
They felt he would contribute year 1 though, so he'll need to improve heavily on his performances thus far


That's what I remember hearing on the BB selection.



..pillow talk to back up the selection.. ..every club does it more or less.. ....but if you look at the facts and come to your own conclusion.. ..he was never going to be contributing from round one.. ..how could he..?..


Showed some good signs in the NAB.
Looked capable. Highlights in WAFL showed good signs against mature bodies too.
I think they expected him to do a Camporeale in his first year.
Campo played every game in our last premiership year.
What do you think he's lacking other than experience.
I'm not too concerned with NB form. He was tagging in the NBs wasn't he?
I didn't expect that for an outside runner.
I did expect the club to be right on the money with their first selection, especially after all the failures of the past decade.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:27 pm 
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I expected us to beat Richmond. Partly because we were told by the club that we had changed our ways, the list changes made over summer where for the better and we came up against the most unaccountable team in the league. Deep down I had a flicker of hope.

I now truly believe our club is in a lot of trouble. More trouble than salary cap Pagan punishment years.
MM has changed the list so much that it now includes more plodders than x-factors and game breakers and the game breakers we have are a shadow of themselves. Any hope I had going into this season has truly vanished after 1 game.

This is going to now take management some real b@lls to fix but more importantly it's going to take time. This is the most crucial point. The changes made will need to be inclusive of the members to keep the faith and give us hope. Membership cannot dwindle.


I had and still have the same hope.
They can't afford for failure this year.

If they fail to make finals, or put up a good show this year, I'm going to be less committed with my time for them next year. I've got plenty of other things to do. Losing trust and hope is highly likely with failure.

Kreuzer and Walker will make a difference. If injuries cruel us I can forgive.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:52 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
They felt he would contribute year 1 though, so he'll need to improve heavily on his performances thus far


That's what I remember hearing on the BB selection.



..pillow talk to back up the selection.. ..every club does it more or less.. ....but if you look at the facts and come to your own conclusion.. ..he was never going to be contributing from round one.. ..how could he..?..

He was having more than enough of an impact at WAFL level?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:13 am 
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..i'm just saying every recruiter talks up their picks, see the media spin for what it is.. ..i'm not saying BB won't be a good player, just not yet.. ..give him time, one decent year for a receiver in the wafl doesn't equate to him being afl ready.. ..not many really are, unless you want to try and hide them, or they are top shelf.. ....he just isn't ready yet.. ..not long after we got him, the club hosed down expectations and said he will need a bit of time.. ..has everyone forgotten that?, will need a couple of preseasons, like near any draftee will.. ..there's nothing wrong with that, but an odd one for a 21yr old..

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:38 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
I expected us to beat Richmond. Partly because we were told by the club that we had changed our ways, the list changes made over summer where for the better and we came up against the most unaccountable team in the league. Deep down I had a flicker of hope.

I now truly believe our club is in a lot of trouble. More trouble than salary cap Pagan punishment years.
MM has changed the list so much that it now includes more plodders than x-factors and game breakers and the game breakers we have are a shadow of themselves. Any hope I had going into this season has truly vanished after 1 game.

This is going to now take management some real b@lls to fix but more importantly it's going to take time. This is the most crucial point. The changes made will need to be inclusive of the members to keep the faith and give us hope. Membership cannot dwindle.


No room to consider

1 loss of daisy early
2 captain not performing
3 gibbs well down
4 yarran injured
5 kj injured
6 walker missing
7 kreuzer missing

Thats a lot of fire power that just didnt perform. Yet we only lost by 4 goals.

I dont believe in excuses, but i would be rope-able if gibbs and murphy performed like that all season. Injuries are temporary.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:03 am 
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padre wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
I expected us to beat Richmond. Partly because we were told by the club that we had changed our ways, the list changes made over summer where for the better and we came up against the most unaccountable team in the league. Deep down I had a flicker of hope.

I now truly believe our club is in a lot of trouble. More trouble than salary cap Pagan punishment years.
MM has changed the list so much that it now includes more plodders than x-factors and game breakers and the game breakers we have are a shadow of themselves. Any hope I had going into this season has truly vanished after 1 game.

This is going to now take management some real b@lls to fix but more importantly it's going to take time. This is the most crucial point. The changes made will need to be inclusive of the members to keep the faith and give us hope. Membership cannot dwindle.


No room to consider

1 loss of daisy early
2 captain not performing
3 gibbs well down
4 yarran injured
5 kj injured
6 walker missing
7 kreuzer missing

Thats a lot of fire power that just didnt perform. Yet we only lost by 4 goals.

I dont believe in excuses, but i would be rope-able if gibbs and murphy performed like that all season. Injuries are temporary.


I hope you're right padre.
I'm a half glass full man. My excuse for Friday revolves around your points.
What I'm questioning now is the coach TBH given I saw Murphy as the inside player and Cripps on the outside and the slow movement of the ball from all the personnel representing the club.

It was only a 4 goal loss but the Tigers weren't much chop, and I'm hoping its a wake up call for the group.

We cannot afford an injury to Yarran in particular because he's the only one giving us glimpses of speed...only when he's on the run.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:16 am 
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Kameraman wrote:
I don't post here particularly often, just when i feel strongly about where my club is heading. I have been watching the Blues since 1970 (not a bad debut year), and there was always an excitement and an anticipation on Saturday mornings. It was a badge of honour having every one of the 22 matches clipped off on your junior membership card. So not only was Thursday nights game a huge disappointment but i have to admit to being less than excited beforehand. The last few years have sucked the life out of the supporters, absolutely nothing has changed, no light at the end of the tunnel and no one to focus on and give me a reason to enjoy watching my footy. Even back in the dark dark days there was always Fev. Now there is nothing.....loved watching Eddie.....gone....Jeffy could turn it on and get your pulse racing.....gone....Waite (the good one).....gone. This game was a sad reflection on our once great club....and yes once great....we are so ordinary and dare i say a laughing stock of the AFL. I'm not going to sit here and pontificate on what the solution is, to be honest my footy heart is probably at it's lowest ebb and i have no remedies. I just want something different, give me a reason to shell out my dollars for a membership year in year out and actually enjoy watching the footy again. The game i saw on Thursday night was utter garbage. I got more enjoyment watching a VAFA practice match the following morning. Have a good hard look at what your serving up to your loyal supporters Carlton, for f*#k sake do something! That's it, not much more to say.


Well said Kameraman. I have followed the club since 1966 and my passion for The Blues is at its lowest ebb. I'm finding it very hard to care anymore about their performance. This added to the disgraceful AFL Sanctioned Doping Saga at Essendon* is destroying my love of the game.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:22 am 
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verbs wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
verbs wrote:
I got as far as 1970. Didn't they teach paragraphs back then?


All class verbs.

I read it. Quite moving indeed. Have similar feelings as would long long time Carlton fans and members.

If you can't be bothered reading it, then don't bother commenting on it.

I'll be nice. You are rude.


Unusual for you.



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:29 am 
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padre wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
I expected us to beat Richmond. Partly because we were told by the club that we had changed our ways, the list changes made over summer where for the better and we came up against the most unaccountable team in the league. Deep down I had a flicker of hope.

I now truly believe our club is in a lot of trouble. More trouble than salary cap Pagan punishment years.
MM has changed the list so much that it now includes more plodders than x-factors and game breakers and the game breakers we have are a shadow of themselves. Any hope I had going into this season has truly vanished after 1 game.

This is going to now take management some real b@lls to fix but more importantly it's going to take time. This is the most crucial point. The changes made will need to be inclusive of the members to keep the faith and give us hope. Membership cannot dwindle.


No room to consider

1 loss of daisy early
2 captain not performing
3 gibbs well down
4 yarran injured
5 kj injured
6 walker missing
7 kreuzer missing

Thats a lot of fire power that just didnt perform. Yet we only lost by 4 goals.

I dont believe in excuses, but i would be rope-able if gibbs and murphy performed like that all season. Injuries are temporary.

A response to your points

1. Loss of daisy cost us the game?
2. Captain is not an A grade midfielder. Often his output is C/D grade at best. Sooner we realise that the better.
3. GIBBS had a good year last year, we need to see If he can back it up
4. What is wrong with yarran
5. KJ won't be there for weeks
6. Walker has done no preseason.
7. Kreuzer has done no preseason. Kreuzer has not proven he can play A grade football in any position


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