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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:37 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
We lost the game at half forward. Houli et al ran the ball out with ease creating a loose man all the way to their forward line.
Smith is not ready for AFL, should never have played. Workrate is poor.
Any team watching that game knows how to beat carlton. How our players respond depends on them.

Houli was one of their best. Good leg speed and great kick. I just wonder if he let Essendon* because he wouldn't put anything impure into his body...... The players might have asked the club doc but maybe, just maybe, might Houili have asked his Imam?
Just asking now.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:57 am 
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jacksh is peahearted, although he does have skills. He's a taller kane lucas.


Broke 2 ribs early in the game and stayed out there. I would say kid has the heart of a lion..

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:04 am 
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bosman wrote:
Braithy wrote:
jacksh is peahearted, although he does have skills. He's a taller kane lucas.


Broke 2 ribs early in the game and stayed out there. I would say kid has the heart of a lion..

Dare I say one of the few who showed commitment and leadership by grinding it out in the face of adversity.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:35 am 
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Henderson lacks form and confidence. At times when it was there, he couldn't even manage making a contest.

Rowe is terrible in defense, and should only be played pending matchups ie against big forward lines.

our forward line is bereft of creativity (since betts left really) and is impotent. henderson is a CHB, ffs play him there.

our mids, Gibbs is classy, judd breaks lines and uses it well. just the though our best mid is 33 yr old gives me a cold nauseous sweat.

Cripps too slow -- but could be a sam mitchell type but not for a few seasons, curnow and carrots are taggers -- both in the same team is negative football, bell tries but is limited. Murphy i can't figure out. he's no captain, i'm not even sure he's anything but a depth midfielder at this point in his career. he will at this point, be the worst carlton captain of my lifetime with only daylight second.

jacksh is peahearted, although he does have skills. He's a taller kane lucas.

We didn't want to tackle, which baffles the hell outta me. 83 000 people, first game of the season and our heads and hearts aren't in it?

casboult needs to be played. he's the only option we have up front to take a grab, bust a pack and make a contest.

it scares me that Menzel & docherty are the only kids on our list who are real prospects and were also our best tonight.

simpson, yarran, judd and gibbs were good. too many passengers, as usual. its been the story since 2000

daisy's season is over. guaranteed. I did my left AC and it looked the same as daisys and i did i landed the exact same way.


Good call on the pea heart who played out the game with 2 broken ribs.

Can't remember the exact time he copped the hit but seem to remember it was pretty early...
Only pea in this post is you, peanut .


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:38 am 
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Who is the 33 year old best midfielder Braithy speaks of?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:58 am 
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robertbb wrote:
Why was our 19 year old pick 60 chosen ahead if our 21 year old pick 19?

Stupid selection.


That's an interesting way to look at it.....legit.....imo

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:02 am 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
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Why was our 19 year old pick 60 chosen ahead if our 21 year old pick 19?

Stupid selection.



Not relevant IMO. I'd like to think our selectors ignore where a player was drafted when they pick the team.


That's true.

But I t.hink the point rob is making is based on the premise of the selection.
BB is ready to roll and give us some outside run yet we went for, what proved to be, a kid who was not ready to be brought in to play more than a quarter or 2 of the real stuff at AFL level.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:08 am 
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Didn't the recruiters come straight out and say BB is not ready for AFL? Still had work to do?

I think they are hoping to have a really good player with BB between the age of 23-28.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:08 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
robertbb wrote:
Why was our 19 year old pick 60 chosen ahead if our 21 year old pick 19?

Stupid selection.



Not relevant IMO. I'd like to think our selectors ignore where a player was drafted when they pick the team.

+1

Additionally, Clem slid because of weight issues.


The question remains did he slide from pick 18-19 or 48, 58-59. Just sayin.

And he still looks like he's carrying a bit of weight and didn't show pace of Byron Pickett at the same age, unless he was buggered because he wasn't conditioned to play at this level.

There's questions of Carlton throughout the footy world that we chose BB at 19. That's no secret.
Only time will tell if it's another reckless selection.

I like, the look of BB but have no idea if he's a first rounder or fourth- rookie as some have said.

Clem was not ready. Period.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:13 am 
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Not disagreeing but you would think then that if it was so easy for the opposition, that we would be flogged. 4 goals is not a flogging.


You're not going to dominate the centre clearances 17-9 like we did Thursday night too often.
Yet we still lost to an average team by 27 points. Don't be confused, Richmond were very average Thursday night. We just let them play the final 3 quarters on their terms.


That's right.
Other than moving talls around willy nilly I saw nothing in the patterns, set ups and personnel to suggest the coach did anything to plug this leak that continued for the last 3 quarters.

Disappointing because I heard lots of supporters around me including myself begging for the leak to be plugged through out the 3rd.

Imo MM risked the 4 points to find out if we could turn it around or.....I shudder to think what else.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:16 am 
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Thing is we have replaced our old flair and up and down performances with sustained crap. We no longer have the peaks, just more constant below par performances.

The problems are many and varied but Mick and Co are part of it, plus the inability of those on the board to see where we are at (always over estimating where we are) and the terrible recruiting before Mick's time.


Would you know by any chance Adam who is actually our Current Recruiting Manager?

The last time I checked, I saw a Manager declaring he Quit the Club, then I heard he is threatening to leave unless his demands are met, and then the Draft Came and I still didn't know whom the Manager is. It seemed to me Mick was choosing on his own as he liked...

2015 is on us and I still don't know if that Clown of a Recruiting Manager is actually still in charge or whether he quit or whether he is still threatening to quit!!!

What a Joke of a Club!!!


You mean Shane Rogers? Left the club this year, widely reported in the media....

We're a joke of a club, no doubt, but I don't think its because you haven't bothered to pay attention to what's been covered in the media recently.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:18 am 
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Didn't the recruiters come straight out and say BB is not ready for AFL? Still had work to do?

I think they are hoping to have a really good player with BB between the age of 23-28.



..yep that's right, when I bemoaned this fact others had a laugh.. ..won't have a long peak form timeline due to 'late start'.. ..will be our third year running in which our first round pick will require time..

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:19 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Jamo's done all of that in peak form. The problem right now is the tall defenders are under siege by how slack the midfield and forwards are at slowing down the run from HB to HF.

If he's one out with his opponent and they're going from HB to HF in under 10s consistently, he's going to be under a lot of pressure just to mind his man.


:thumbsup:

The way the ball came in terms of speed and without opposition Jammo and co had no chance.

Lucky Richmond did it sporadically and aren't as efficient as the Hawks, Swans...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:21 am 
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Pafloyul wrote:
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Some posters think we suffer predominantly from the sins of the present, some the sins of the past. I am in the past camp. I thought our selections last night were unforgivable. Tutt, Bokeburst were in our best 22 on NAB cup form. Add buckley and casboult who are positive footballers. I less interested in the scoreboard and more into player development.


Go and watch the Northern blues then.


I'd hazard to say that it's a sin that keeps on sinning. We are so desperate to be competitive that not only do we put the future on hold but we see things in players that aren't there. The kids will take time but we need them now - it's a schizophrenic response that creates all sorts of problems.

Why is that a "schizophrenic" response?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:26 am 
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Rexy wrote:
bosman wrote:
Braithy wrote:
jacksh is peahearted, although he does have skills. He's a taller kane lucas.


Broke 2 ribs early in the game and stayed out there. I would say kid has the heart of a lion..

Dare I say one of the few who showed commitment and leadership by grinding it out in the face of adversity.

Pick 7 for KJ & MW a steal



..early call on Wiley.. ..I think the trade was ok in and of itself, but wasn't confident we would use it well, after the fact I don't think we did by picking bb.. ..I think mw is steak knifey..

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:28 am 
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Rexy wrote:
bosman wrote:
Braithy wrote:
jacksh is peahearted, although he does have skills. He's a taller kane lucas.


Broke 2 ribs early in the game and stayed out there. I would say kid has the heart of a lion..

Dare I say one of the few who showed commitment and leadership by grinding it out in the face of adversity.

Pick 7 for KJ & MW a steal


Thanks rely and bowman...said it for me.

I didn't see any pea hearts out there.

We were out coached and I think it was BV who suggested that Batchelor and Houli were cheating and that their roll of the dice to do this paid off ; coach didn't do much I could see to avoid this; and our lobbing hospital like passing by hand and foot meant we delivered the ball reeeeaaaallly slow, and they closed us down.
Our forward and back men had little chance to defend.

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I feel relieved that he was playing with a huge handicap(not that it happened of course!)
as this means we can look forward to a real talent in the future.

I had no clue he was injured, and had thought him not ready for AFL.

speedy recovery KJ. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:25 am 
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I agree that the recruiting on the 90's has relevance. We cannot underestimate how difficult it is to plug too many holes at once. That is exactly what has been happening with our recruiting since the penny dropped and coincidentally we appointed pagan.
It is difficult to identify a weakness when there is nothing but weakness. I sypathasize with pagan with the hand that he was dealt.
Our recruiting was reminiscent of an out of control gambler. There was very little rationale behind the decisions, and an element of going for broke with each selection.. If Only we had direction from the top saying to the coaches " slow it down, slow it down " then we could have reached a rebuild mentality. Instead we had pressure to win preseason premierships etc that just obfuscated the real situation to many.
Whether or not this current lost is good enough to move up the ladder this year, i am unsure of. But i feel that at least we now have a list to work with and build from, something that we havent had for a very long time


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:05 pm 
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The way the ball came in terms of speed and without opposition Jammo and co had no chance.

Actually BB I thought the most disappointing aspect of Jammo's game was that at least three times Riewoldt outmarked him when seemingly out of position from mongrel bombs. None of those contests were to do with easy passes or lack of pressure they were one on one contests where Jammo seemed to be in the better position. Criticism of Broekhurst and Clem Smith way unwarranted. Our problem is not with this years draftees, they have several years to develop (although it would be nice if we ever had a draft player that slotted straight in). We really look threadbare and with several outs to injuries next week things ain't looking flash. At least the WCE have as many or more injury worries as us. Not sure what our reserves are like, but I want Buckley back in. I suspect a comparative assessment across under 25 talent in all clubs would be very depressing for Blues fans.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:38 pm 
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padre wrote:
I agree that the recruiting on the 90's has relevance. We cannot underestimate how difficult it is to plug too many holes at once. That is exactly what has been happening with our recruiting since the penny dropped and coincidentally we appointed pagan.
It is difficult to identify a weakness when there is nothing but weakness. I sypathasize with pagan with the hand that he was dealt.
Our recruiting was reminiscent of an out of control gambler.



Pagan had full control over who we recruited. He wanted strong, experienced players to play his contested game. Hence names like Glen Bowyer, Brett Johnson, Cory McGrath, David Clarke, Daniel Harford, Ricky Mott were traded for.
You happily hang Ratten for the state of the list yet Pagan should be sympathised with.
His time was up. After he got the arse from Carlton he lasted one season in the TAC. They couldn't wait to get him out the door. He was finished.

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