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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:30 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
get Bluevain as coach

He's grumpier than Mick ! :razz:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:34 pm 
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Look at the state of our list
After 2011 the guy was signing up duds like Joseph and Davies for 2 year contracts
Senior footballers had no idea what was acceptable..


Those guys would have fitted in beautifully with Micks lot on Thursday.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:12 pm 
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I'm sorry but unless we pick a coach that is genuinely prepared to define a culture for the club and not just be an authoritarian, and one that's actually got the energy and ideas to take the club forward in terms of football development and strategy, we're cooked. The culture right now is to uproot everything when things go a little poorly and to burn the joint down when it's bad.

That culture has disenfranchised almost every aspect of the club. Trigg and Malthouse have both spoken about this, and I'm confident in their ability to work on the problem given they're actually prepared to put their egos to one side to work on it. Can the same be said about the bulk of the playing group, even with the more toxic personalities gone?

Not on last night's performance. They had misgivings about their own 22 and they did nothing other than bring performance levels down even more. There's not a @#$%&! chance we're as bad as what we showed on the night. That was a team without belief in each other, not a bunch of talentless hacks.


Well put jimmae.

WE CANT LET THE LUNATICS TAKE OVER THE ASYLUM.

I agree we are better than what we showed but everyone owns part of our failure: coach included.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:16 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
get Bluevain as coach

He's grumpier than Mick ! :razz:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:30 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Look at the state of our list
After 2011 the guy was signing up duds like Joseph and Davies for 2 year contracts
Senior footballers had no idea what was acceptable..


Those guys would have fitted in beautifully with Micks lot on Thursday.

sign them up on multiple year contracts u reckon ... and not play them???

how long was kerr on the list without playing a single game?

clogged that list...

turned young men into old men....

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:59 pm 
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unless something unexpected happens we will end MMs 3rd year no better than when he took over.
So the club either needs to back MM for another 3 years because they believe he can turn the team and LIST around or change to a younger coach we can back for 6 years.

if we give MM a 1 year extension we are clueless.
if we go a younger coach god help him. i hope he gets the support he needs.

geelong sydney and now the hawks have shown you build a culture and list and game style and you get a coach that fits in.
i have no idea of our culture, game style and our list is all over the place.

whats certain is we are 3 yrs at best away from being a decent team again.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:04 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
I'm sorry but unless we pick a coach that is genuinely prepared to define a culture for the club and not just be an authoritarian, and one that's actually got the energy and ideas to take the club forward in terms of football development and strategy, we're cooked. The culture right now is to uproot everything when things go a little poorly and to burn the joint down when it's bad.

That culture has disenfranchised almost every aspect of the club. Trigg and Malthouse have both spoken about this, and I'm confident in their ability to work on the problem given they're actually prepared to put their egos to one side to work on it. Can the same be said about the bulk of the playing group, even with the more toxic personalities gone?

Not on last night's performance. They had misgivings about their own 22 and they did nothing other than bring performance levels down even more. There's not a @#$%&! chance we're as bad as what we showed on the night. That was a team without belief in each other, not a bunch of talentless hacks.


Well put jimmae.

WE CANT LET THE LUNATICS TAKE OVER THE ASYLUM.

I agree we are better than what we showed but everyone owns part of our failure: coach included.

Absolutely but the critical failure is a lack of resilience shown at most levels. The supporters shouldn't be the ones to build it.

Mick's trying; Trigg's trying. Who else is trying?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:29 pm 
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I just love the Madhouse game plan ... its magnificent. The Weagles think they will beat us with their fast movement of the football down the corridor. They think they will dominate us with their strong marking ... phttt! We have the Madhouse ... he knows what he is doing. We didn't hire him for nothing you know. Sooner or later slowly bringing the ball around the boundary line and bombing haphazardly into the forward line will work. The Madhouse will fool them all and we will finally get back to where we were before he took over. Hurry up and extend his contract Bluebaggers.

Its gunna be great! :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:09 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
I'm sorry but unless we pick a coach that is genuinely prepared to define a culture for the club and not just be an authoritarian, and one that's actually got the energy and ideas to take the club forward in terms of football development and strategy, we're cooked. The culture right now is to uproot everything when things go a little poorly and to burn the joint down when it's bad.

That culture has disenfranchised almost every aspect of the club. Trigg and Malthouse have both spoken about this, and I'm confident in their ability to work on the problem given they're actually prepared to put their egos to one side to work on it. Can the same be said about the bulk of the playing group, even with the more toxic personalities gone?

Not on last night's performance. They had misgivings about their own 22 and they did nothing other than bring performance levels down even more. There's not a @#$%&! chance we're as bad as what we showed on the night. That was a team without belief in each other, not a bunch of talentless hacks.


Well put jimmae.

WE CANT LET THE LUNATICS TAKE OVER THE ASYLUM.

I agree we are better than what we showed but everyone owns part of our failure: coach included.

Absolutely but the critical failure is a lack of resilience shown at most levels. The supporters shouldn't be the ones to build it.

Mick's trying; Trigg's trying. Who else is trying?

Micks very trying

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:25 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
It isn't the coach in isolation, a coach can't turn water into wine.

Pagan had no chance when he started, we would of been better keeping Brittain and sticking fat as Sticks would say.

We would of been better of realising where we were really at the end of 2012 and getting a ready made assistant in with a view of creating sustainable long term success.

Malthouse was brought in for the wrong reasons with a playing list not capable of delivering what the board wanted Malthouse to achieve.

Even this year they think we can play finals, at least publicly thats what their saying when in reality if we do it will be one of the greatest coaching achievements in the history of the AFL.

This side is barely better than what we had running around in 2005-06.

Why Couldnt we play finals. Bottom 6 draw. Should have 10 wins based on that. Just need to get 3 more wins. 13 gets you in finals generally. Under mick we believe :) Our list isnt that bad it just doesnt function.


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moshe25 wrote:
In the last 25 years, the five most successful coaches in the AFL have been:
1: Matthews (4 flags)
Equal 2: Malthouse, Clarkson (3 flags)
Equal 4: Pagan, Blight, Sheedy, Thompson (2 flags).

We've killed 2 of the best coaches of the past 25 years. I know some people will say "their passed it", but aside from the grammar, that's bullshit. Pagan was just 2 years past winning his 2nd flag in 4 years. Malthouse was one year past his 2nd successive grand final and 2 years past his 3rd premiership. Coaches don't get "passed it" in 2 years.

More accurate is that whatever the malaise is at Carlton, that's what's killed these guys.... not to mention Parkin, one of the most successful coaches of the previous 25 years.

So stop peddling revisionist crap.

why not go back last 35 years. At least goes micks career years


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:36 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
It isn't the coach in isolation, a coach can't turn water into wine.

Pagan had no chance when he started, we would of been better keeping Brittain and sticking fat as Sticks would say.

We would of been better of realising where we were really at the end of 2012 and getting a ready made assistant in with a view of creating sustainable long term success.

Malthouse was brought in for the wrong reasons with a playing list not capable of delivering what the board wanted Malthouse to achieve.

Even this year they think we can play finals, at least publicly thats what their saying when in reality if we do it will be one of the greatest coaching achievements in the history of the AFL.

This side is barely better than what we had running around in 2005-06.

Hinkley turned port in to jack daniels. They were appalling under the previous coach.

Micks recipe to success is have a solid spine And great leaders at the club all over the field. Kick it around the wing and to a key forward eg. Sumich, cloke etc. Outside of that he turns to water. Starts putting peices of paper on the coaches box window


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:45 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
I'm sorry but unless we pick a coach that is genuinely prepared to define a culture for the club and not just be an authoritarian, and one that's actually got the energy and ideas to take the club forward in terms of football development and strategy, we're cooked. The culture right now is to uproot everything when things go a little poorly and to burn the joint down when it's bad.

That culture has disenfranchised almost every aspect of the club. Trigg and Malthouse have both spoken about this, and I'm confident in their ability to work on the problem given they're actually prepared to put their egos to one side to work on it. Can the same be said about the bulk of the playing group, even with the more toxic personalities gone?

Not on last night's performance. They had misgivings about their own 22 and they did nothing other than bring performance levels down even more. There's not a @#$%&! chance we're as bad as what we showed on the night. That was a team without belief in each other, not a bunch of talentless hacks.


Well put jimmae.

WE CANT LET THE LUNATICS TAKE OVER THE ASYLUM.

I agree we are better than what we showed but everyone owns part of our failure: coach included.

jimmae - i could coach the team to play like that against tigers. I really want what your sniffing. We brought mm in to win a flag. Not delist players or piss players off so they leave the club. Did garlett have a good game today? Did laidler cement a backline spot in swans? Hows eddie going? Im sure he would of stayed for a bit more cash but mm wanted to pay his useless son 750k a year and do you think waite would of left if mm didnt put him in his doghouse during the season? While we talk about culture, how about mm stops telling players he will keep them, then a few weeks later they get a call from mckay saying they are delisted. I feel for brock and kane. Mm doesnt know first thing about culture and is a cancer to this club

keep sniffing the good gear jimmae. Maybe your paid by the club to promote this garbage


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:55 pm 
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jimmae - i could coach the team to play like that against tigers.

Goltz I'm afraid I'm just sitting back paying attention, asking questions of what's happening, what I think should happen and what could prevent said plan from being executed. If you really are a master coach in wating, here you go:

blues@carltonfc.com.au

Throw your CV in the mix; go nuts!

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I really want what your sniffing. We brought mm in to win a flag. Not delist players or piss players off so they leave the club. Did garlett have a good game today? Did laidler cement a backline spot in swans?

They both had ok games; Jeff was impressive in parts.

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Hows eddie going? Im sure he would of stayed for a bit more cash but mm wanted to pay his useless son 750k a year

Do you think Eddie's output was worth that kind of cash vs the decent (and that's since gone up to very good) chance we could secure Thomas near peak form? Also, the figure is probably south of 650k.

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and do you think waite would of left if mm didnt put him in his doghouse during the season?

Do you think he was undeserving of this?

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While we talk about culture, how about mm stops telling players he will keep them, then a few weeks later they get a call from mckay saying they are delisted. I feel for brock and kane. Mm doesnt know first thing about culture and is a cancer to this club

I hate to break it to you Goltz, but he's got more experience in elite sporting environments than anyone at the club. He came in, and funnily enough the players seem to repeatedly revert to old habits, so one could happily and readily argue the cancer has nothing to do with him.

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keep sniffing the good gear jimmae. Maybe your paid by the club to promote this garbage

Must be how I maintain this imaginary drug habit you've ascribed me.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:09 pm 
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We have the worst percentage (74.29%) of all the teams played in R1 thus far

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:17 pm 
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Mick is Awesome... Give him another 10 years with 10 millions attached to it.... He has promised this year to work hard to get us 2 more Collingwood Guns who will change our Club around and take us to Paradise...

They are just not playing at the moment due to some Food poisoning they got whilst eating a Steak recently!! :clap: :clap: :clap:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:26 pm 
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On a more serious note, Mick needs to come clean and be honest with himself and confess that the Game plan that Won him Flags in the past, Is never ever going to work in the modern Game, and especially at a Club like Carlton who are the Clanger Kings of the AFL...

Going side ways, backwards, and more Sideways until we reach the Goals means having shots at Goal from the Boundary and tough angles to kick from.....

Have some Heart and take some risks.. play on at all cost... play it in the middle... Turn it OVER, that's fine but at least have a go...

It's a proven record that any team that plays on and takes the Game on will always find a running Target somewhere and will result in quick goals... Not the mention the pressure they will put on the opposition defense...

Once upon a time, I do remember us playing this style of football and it worked well for us. Although we do continue to turn the ball Over and concede easy goals through the middle, I still think its a much better Game plan than the Malthouse Crap we have been seeing for the last two years!!


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jimmae wrote:
They both had ok games; Jeff was impressive in parts.


Impressive in parts? :lol:
20 possessions, 3 clearances including 2 centre clearances,12 contested possessions, 3 marks including 1 contested, 2 goals 4, 6 tackles and 5 inside 50s.

I'm tipping he would slot beautifully in our team Jim if we had the ability to get the most out of him. We just didn't put in the effort to see it through.

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Do you think Eddie's output was worth that kind of cash vs the decent (and that's since gone up to very good) chance we could secure Thomas near peak form? Also, the figure is probably south of 650k.


Eddies form was far superior to Daisys. Plus he played a more significant role. He was a role model to the other indigenous players and the other players loved him. MM talks about bringing in extroverts. Eddie was one of the biggest extroverts at the club. It was all about bringing in Micks boy.
He was worth more than Daisy every day of the week.

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