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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:16 pm 
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..it's not the gameplan.. ..and the simple reason is this.. ..the game plan doesn't matter, because lazy selfish players won't adhere and Carry out Any gameplan.. ..too many weak links..



yeah, you are probably right BKB, but how do we really know where it comes from?

God we were awful
uninspiring and boring, dowdy football.
no heart.
chicken or egg.



..the egg..

....we've had different coaches and different gameplans, but the same mistakes remain.. ..selfish play.. ..one way running.. ..cheating and dishonesty.. ..soft one handed tackles and not putting body on the line.. ..lack of heart and mental concentration..

..there's a few 'big names' that need a serious talking to.. ...poor on field culture and leadership..

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:16 pm 
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I feel like the only positives that are going to come out of these games are: 'Judd was good'.

Nothing on the horizon for mine.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:17 pm 
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We're (redacted)

What 2ndeffort said. A 31 yo showed the way. We're rubbish

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:18 pm 
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Our recruiting strategy of trading A and B grade players with 2-5 years left out for not very much, but paying overs for C and D grade players who may eventually make it as B grade players looked ordinary at the time and looks even more ordinary now


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:22 pm 
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The other reality we all need to face is our captain is soft and one of the laziest midfielders without the ball. For every good game he has, he has 3 other shockers.

Move him forwArd. He can be flashy Nd creative there and his laziness won't be as exposed.

He is not alone, Judd and Gibbs are poor defensively too


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:26 pm 
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yarran looked like he's lost a step tonight.

before he even got his knock, he seemed reluctant to run, and the few times he did he got caught. that never happens.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:28 pm 
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chelodina wrote:
Our recruiting strategy of trading A and B grade players with 2-5 years left out for not very much, but paying overs for C and D grade players who may eventually make it as B grade players looked ordinary at the time and looks even more ordinary now


Yes, Everett and the like need more around them to make the trades worthwhile and while they are in the side, we don't have the impetus to get more A-grade type players. It's bit of a conundrum. It's not as if we are really top 4 material.

I'd prefer to see us get beaten with a few more kids in the side than see the likes of Jones and Rowe running around for us and still get beaten. :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:28 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
If it wasn't for Docherty we'd have lost by 10 goals



If it wasn't for Richmond we would have lost by 15 goals.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:29 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
yarran looked like he's lost a step tonight.

before he even got his knock, he seemed reluctant to run, and the few times he did he got caught. that never happens.

Fantasy land, like some of your other posts tonight in the wash up; he was tearing it down the wing late in the last.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:31 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
yarran looked like he's lost a step tonight.

before he even got his knock, he seemed reluctant to run, and the few times he did he got caught. that never happens.



He's been caught a number of times.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:32 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..it's not the gameplan.. ..and the simple reason is this.. ..the game plan doesn't matter, because lazy selfish players won't adhere and Carry out Any gameplan.. ..too many weak links..



Were you at the game?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:33 pm 
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Id like to see 2ey in the midfield, Casboult CHF, Henderson CHB, bring in the other Irish guys if they not injured, Buckley, Vojo, Boekhorst also must play. Carrots too old Judd forward with spells in the middle.
I knew we had no chance of beating this lot as soon as I saw our team.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:33 pm 
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Not long home from the game. Had to wait on Jolimont station for half an hour waiting for a train to finally arrive.
Crap game, crap game plan, crap skills.
Just getting sick of it.
Docherty was good, as was Judd.
Not much else to get excited about.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:34 pm 
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chelodina wrote:
The other reality we all need to face is our captain is soft and one of the laziest midfielders without the ball. For every good game he has, he has 3 other shockers.

Move him forwArd. He can be flashy Nd creative there and his laziness won't be as exposed.

He is not alone, Judd and Gibbs are poor defensively too


Fully agree. Only problem with Murphy up forward is he's a god awful kick for goal, especially set shots. Yarran forward, Murphy down back? Ah jeez, Yarran's a terrible set shot kick too!


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:36 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..it's not the gameplan.. ..and the simple reason is this.. ..the game plan doesn't matter, because lazy selfish players won't adhere and Carry out Any gameplan.. ..too many weak links..

I'm not totally sold on the game plan but have to agree

Some of the efforts from Murphy, Gibbs & Yarran were nothing short of putrid
They're supposed to be leaders but they're just high paid show ponies

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:38 pm 
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Trouble is we have lost shit loads of games with our pathetic shooting at goal....Not hard goals either.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:43 pm 
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Nothing we haven't seen before from the club over the last 10 years.

This is why I haven't signed up this year, nothing is changing on the field. So predictable.

Would be funny if it weren't sad.

And Judd is still our best player :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:45 pm 
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76% game time for Cripps and Carrazzo; 73% for Simpson, Gibbs and Smith on top of the 1% from Thomas. We flogged the rest of our midfield tonight.

Only Curnow, Judd and Murphy finished with what I would consider their average TOG numbers.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:47 pm 
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Interesting comments.
Some are bagging Henderson yet I thought his work rate was exceptional. Too often I saw him chasing Houli etc up the wing whilst Menzel etc were happily watching. Sure he made a couple of errors but he was our only productive forward.
Bell was probably our hardest at the ball player and Docherty was fantastic. Sure hands, courageous and great decision maker.

I thought we erred in playing Gibbs. Too often he coughed it up avoiding contact. Obviously his shoulder is still not right.
For Mick to suggest we struggled losing a 'class player" like Thomas. :lol: He hasn't been a class player for 3 years Mick. You can't suffer for losing something you haven't had.

Captain Obvious knows our forward structure killed us again. We dominated the centre clearances yet we couldn't capitalise once we went forward. Too often we rooted around with the ball off half back because we didn't have a viable lead up option. It compounds as the players lose faith in the forward structure so they root around with it even more.

As for the comments that the players are lazy or selfish, it's rubbish. they busted a gut tonight but skill errors and a poor forward line killed us off.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:55 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..it's not the gameplan.. ..and the simple reason is this.. ..the game plan doesn't matter, because lazy selfish players won't adhere and Carry out Any gameplan.. ..too many weak links..



Were you at the game?



..no..

....was there team work through the middle..?.. ..was there consistent two way running..?.. ....this has been the problem for several years.. ..different coaches, different game plans, same on field mistakes.. ..after a while, you have to face facts.. ..it's the players..

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