If you could choose between Jones playing with 2 goals a game guaranteed but no more then 8 touches or a player like Tutt, Armfield, Boekhurst and Smith who would you go for? Is Jones worth it or do you go for someone who potentially will give you more around the ground?

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Koperek.

Given we have given up our leading goal kickers over the last 3 years betts garlett waite I think we need forwards who kick goals if Jones kicked 40 or so for the season I would prefer him to others - need to have reliable goal kickers and a spread and so if jones menzel Henderson kick 40 for the year then we have a multi-pronged forward line and a damaging one
Cant see anyone else getting many goals so the 3 of them are a must - casboult kreuzer may spend some time down there but are really ordinary kicks for goals the only other successful goal kicker is walker

We need a tall marking option inside 50 structurally. Jones didn't take too many grabs but he wasn't out marked too often either. He crashed packs and created crumbing options for Menzel etc. Whether it be Casboult or Jones, we need size down there.
Hendo is then allowed to play 60-70m out from goal which gives us an option off half back. Give me that over Armfield etc every day.
Look how much better the Bulldogs function with Boyd in their side. He is young and inexperienced but having that tall bail out option up forward has straightened their game style up significantly.

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FFS he takes an A grade defender to stop him. That in itself is worth it. He will present well and get his share. we may not get bags of 8 but 2-3 each game is all you can ask. Geelong have good defenders and still he got off the leash. Could have kicked 3 -thats good enough for me especially against the geelong defenders. When you add in the fact that his fellow forwards were being rotated all over the place (hendo going back, Rowe coming forward) and no casboult, then you realise that he may have suffered more attention than normal , as he was the only permanent key forward for the day.
Then you have to question the type of delivery that he was being served. Our Half backs were missing, that set up many of our forays forward - simpson , walker and BOG last week Yarran. Also Gibbs missing , Murphy well down due to match fitness and you can easily see that the delivery quality was well down. Yet he still should have kicked 3. promising in my opinion.

I agree and that's why I prefer Casboult and Jones over Watson. Aside from lacking agility, Watson doesn't crash packs or take contested marks. He doesn't even spoil particularly well. If Casboult could kick like Watson, we'd have the makings of a gun player...

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I prefer Jones over Watson but I think I prefer only 2 tall forwards over 3 especially if we are going to go with 3 talls down back. I would prefer if Everitt or Walker (when fit) play that third taller player or even a tall back to push forward when needed. White is another option. I guess it depends who we play. I just hate the idea of going in too tall.

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Koperek.

If Jones plays poorly while kicking 2-3 goals each week then we have made the trade of the decade.

..if you only judge a forward by how many goals they kick, you're behind the times.. .... ..fev won the Coleman in a spoon year, and we don't have half the forward ability to kick his amount of goals.. ..if we get killed on the rebound, a few goals a game from a forward that that is lazy won't win us any games at all.. ....a lazy selfish forward like fev might kick bags here and there, but the team suffers.. ..and we'll be lucky if two or even three of our current tall forwards collectively kick what fev would in a season..

..i'd take a regular spread of goal kickers that work together over a couple of lazy forwards averaging two goals a game.. ....we have trouble locking the ball in our forward fifty, and often our delivery into the forward half is a shambles because of not enough work ethic.. ..if we have a forward waving their arms for the long bomb, or not chasing, or not running good patterns, not doubling back, not harassing yadda yards, they ared rad right, even if they kick a few now and then.. ..get rid of them, and go fork a medium hard working forward instead.. ..lazy height is useless to us..

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..no we haven't, not at all.. ....any player playing poorly on a regular basis is the weak link.. ..the weak link will be exploited.. ..and no game plan will succeed with a player underperforming week in, week out.. ..no player can get by on only one aspect to their game..

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+1

Which leads to my next concern...
In the third term there was a 5 minute patch where the big forwards did all the above and Geelong repeatedly swept the ball out of defence when the ball hit the deck. Menzel wasn't near the play, Tutt was still in the subs vest (as was Clem, who then went to defence) and Bucks was in the twos.

I'd take Fev in our team now in a heartbeat. Would make watching our team that much more enjoyable and exciting.

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I think you may have to get on the LJ express BKB.

I'm pretty sure the SS Watson will sink with all hands at years end.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

He's going just fine. Future captain of the club potential.
Last week he played really well, zoned off when needed and courageous.
This week finished the game running strongly, involved very much in bringing us back into it. Yes, some disposal errors. Still inexperienced but a definite leader already. Reads the play really well. I see similarities with the bald vet who starred for years for us.

My brother got a reply tweet from Judd asking who the future leaders will be. He replied Docherty, Buckley, and Cripps.

Sounds like we have a round 1 smokey!

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....watched the game again.. ....not sure what we do about the second ruck now, I'd rather have watto And Jones ahead of bolt.... ..jones and watto may not be competing for the same spot, Jones seems much more a deep forward, watto is a good option to roam a bit further afield.. ..I think watto covers more ground, which gets him involved more and more poasession, jones will need to get more of the ball.. ..he has all the attributes, will need to start using them in game.. ..krooz is starting running again, so I think Bolt's contested marking won't save him..

..but we sure so need some crumbers and loxk in defensive pressure types..

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Really evident was a lack of forward pressure from our crumbers or ground dwellers. Non existent.

With 2 or 3 big forwards to kick to they are not going to mark everything, but they will bring the ball to ground if the kicks forward are in their vicinity. That's a win, but we've got to keep the ball in and effect a shot on goal: preferably a set shot.

We need to replace the 3-4 Amigos we once had in there (Betts Garlett both gone, Walker injured or in defense and Yarran in defense).

Menzel, Tutt, Clem, Buckley????? Can one or two of them do the crumbing role?

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I like Bucks as our pack pocket dynamo, fir those troublesome forward pocket players that always run a muck. He has speed, skill and plenty of heart to win more battles than he will lose. Menzel and Tutt for now up forward with Clem to join un soon enough.

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