the guy that took the crows to 2011 before diving result in getting kicked out along with the guy who went off his own bat to poach a recruiter from another club .. which he failed.. and then had a mutiny going on .. settled it with a contract to the the rercuiter nnounced it to all the world...and then sacked him and paid him out..and hied his mate.... are going to fix everything??
all answerable to an oligarch....
now thats the same as before.....

what am i missing ??? the new heads and names??

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You've left out a category of former member, those that were turned over by the club.

When I gave my feedback as to why I wouldn't move and why it was important to me and that I felt disrespected this was the response

"I appreciate you have a view - it is your right as a loyal member who has put your hard earned into the Club.

I know you won't see it this way - but the seating areas we are reclassifying is in keeping with industry standards and still provide a significant saving to members from daily ticket purchases.

Happy to discuss further - but also respect your personal decision."

Personal decision? I'd been on the rollover membership since day one, had no intention of cancelling, yet somehow it was my decision. When I asked why they weren't giving the supposedly 'superior seat' that was offered in exchange to their brand new shiny $2,500 members, I got crickets.

I'm sure those waiting for their memberships would also be disheartened to hear they were able to cancel my membership in less than 12 hours. That's from initial phone contact, email exchange and the confirmation email. Perhaps if they put the same effort into positive engagement instead of pissing people off they'd have their 60,000 members.

Please, don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining. They couldn't give a rats about people like me. They made that perfectly clear.

..the league and all clubs in it, is a joke competition that lacks professionalism across all levels.. ..lets not kid ourselves, it's a Mickey mouse competition that hasn't ever had a level playing field.. ..since, ever.. ..it's all handshakes and peppercorn agreements, backroom deals over pints and cold pies.. ..some clubs are better run than others, but they are all varying degrees of amateur hour.. ..good ol' boys with the token chick, must key the pc crowd happy, while sweeping real dodgy shite under the rug..

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Typical. I'm a club mouthpiece, am I? Of course I am, only the completely disenfranchised are allowed on TalkingCarlton. Show any kind of rational assessment of Club happenings and you must be from within.

Satisfying interstate members is always going to be difficult. And that your kids are more interested in going to Movie World than the footy shouldn't surprise anyone.

Maybe the club could do better to make interstate memberships more attractive. But how? Games are interstate are hard to come by. What would you like? What do you think your kids would like in their packs?

The floor is yours.

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Whatever happened to this club
I wish I understood
We used to be so strong
We used to be so good

Look they definitely want a winning team, but if you think that not structuring the organisation to drive that, enhance that, publicise that and create a positive message leading into it doesn't create fan engagement, good press and a general good will at the club that flows on into the mindset of every employee there, you're a next-level idiot. The entire job of the corporate entity that is the CFC is to make people feel good about the brand.

The supporter base of today was created by this club; it is responsible for it as an entity. The people who took on these roles are, for the most part, not directly responsible but they inherited it. They knew what they were getting into well enough to know whether or not to keep out.

If they want to play siege mentality, they will drain people emotionally and they will walk away. Happens everywhere in life.

If you are some kind of mouth piece for them, they are completely [REDACTED]. They need to take a look in the mirror and ask if they understand the operation and scope of a public-facing business in the entertainment industry.


This is the job of the staff to sift through and determine what is pertinent. If they want to better automate some of the manual work there are entire industries and methodologies out there that are cost-effective to deploy even on a smaller scale like say, an AFL club. Because for all your grandstanding and posturing, that's what the AFL is in the corporate scheme of things: completely @#$%&! small fry.

The club is not above going through the concerns of fans, and needs to accept the modern, mobile-internet driven nature of PR. Everyone always had an opinion, it's just now they all have a smartphone too.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

so now i have to come up with the answers to?

get the basics right as a start

the kids probably would have liked to have their names spelled correctly

they all would have liked to receive their birthday card (leaving me to explain why the other kids got it and they didn't)

get all the packs for the same family delivered at the same time - AND FAST !

they would like to see the boys train when the club tells them they will be able to

an interstate pack needs to have more in it - more merchandise, more magazines (more regularly), just more stuff - send something small every month - many other subscription type memberships do this - keeps the kids connected. even if its a letter and a pack of carlton pencils with a colouring in stencil of the player of the month, then next month its a fridge magnet, then some shoelaces, then a competition that gets them a jumper where they have to complete a quiz on the past months games and send it back in - there is so much small stuff like this that keeps kids connected to carlton.

make sure there is some type of family event when the players do play interstate - (i understand the game and preparation and training needs to take precedence) - bring the emergencies, bring captain carlton, bring some sausages and have an hour or so long event after the training session the day before the game - just create an inclusive feel

don't treat us as donors and don't treat us like fools and definitely don't accuse us or lecture us on being apathetic.

I have plenty of money and can afford to be a member on top of the theme parks and foxtel and all the other things we as a family are part of - but i need to see value before handing my money over to carlton - and right now there is no value. I know i will get very little to nothing in return and more than likely my money will be pissed against the wall

again , membership is a product/service and it needs to standout amongst the many other choices of products/services people have available to spend their money on.

winning will help but its not the be all end all - if we start winning it will generate excitement but if people then hand over their money and get treated like shit , they will quickly drop off again.

the club needs a sustainable product to offer the people.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I'm not a mouthpiece for the club. Is it so inconceivable to think I've recognised the change in club personnel and though, 'ok. They've got some work to do, let's see what they do before condemning it?'

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Whatever happened to this club
I wish I understood
We used to be so strong
We used to be so good

I'm fine with that man, but they have a job to enthuse the supporter base. The football side of things can worry about winning and then get questions asked when they don't hit KPIs. They can worry about creating a framework to best support that using business management and automation techniques, but they also need to worry about the other sides of the business.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

So I was watching the '81 grand final on DVD with my old man last night (women were out of the house, which is typically the best time to go visit). We sit in the den which has every Carlton Premiershp WEG poster *ever* framed and in order...

Apart from being insanely jealous of his man cave and his living through the glory era (he got to enjoy and be at 3 flags in his 6 years of Uni) we got talking about the club, where it's been, where it's at, where it might/should go.

He told me something I'd never known - Princess Park almost hosted the 56 Olympics. They'd even started construction on the stand, and it was only because of one politician who was an MCC member at the time (and who was no doubt influenced by that club), that it got moved to the MCG.

Imagine Princess Park became the foremost ground in the comp - the club would have grown and thrived and succeeded. You stack that with our decision to build the Legends stand and get hopelessly in debt all while our shit-house connection to Etihad eroded our profits and our identity... and you can see why we are where we are membership wise. That's without even going into woeful recruiting and development, and the powerhouse oligarchs taking over the board.

But at least we have some DVD's to watch. Wonder what I'll be watching with my boys...?

Edit: I was only a little guy and an early teenager... but I remember going to PP... not many of my Carlton supporting friends my age remember going there (or ever went). I keep telling them the places was an absolute fortress, you walked in their and you belonged to something amazing. There was just this vibe, like anyone in Navy blue on field and in the stands would stand in front of a cannonball if they had to. Pride. Honour. Ruthlessness. Mongrel. I was only young but I remember it as a kid. I am so disheartened that my boys won't experience the same thing.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

Just saw the William Hill ad on ch9 and was wondering who #78 for Carlton is ?

Sounds interesting!



It did? Wow, I thought Princes Park had it IN. THE. BAG.

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Imagine Surrey if Collo had made us leave this place... Blueseum

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yes Princes Park was going to be developed as an Olympic Stadium in 56...

Surrey and I would be in footy heaven if it happened!!!

they got greedy and it backfired.
might not be rocket science, but it is people science.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

wrong thread.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

I'll flip you for it.

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

haha. Not those kind of Women. My mum and my sisters.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

What is this princesS Park you speak of?

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It's pronounced Princes$ Park.