Wrong. What you and mr Cheese forget is the growth in membership in the early 00s when we were on our knees and likely to finish closer to a spoon than a flag.

The fans stepped up then, when needed. The tribe is still there. They've simply been convinced for a decade now that they are not valued, cared for or seen as relevant by a board and administration who'd rather see the revenue from membership without truly embracing members into the club.

And to get lectured about apathy, arrogance and entitlement.... Kindly @#$%&! off.

Ok they have a massive review they charge focus totally restructure the entire club. What do we want this review to achieve. We want the club to be successful again we want them to deliver a product they people will buy.
But if the outcome delivers the same results people still wont buy it.
A review will appease the diehards but it wont attract the fringe dwellers unless the review delivers results.
And the fringe dwellers out number the diehards about 10 to 1

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Giving a different opinion is not lecturing its just an opinion.
The club was down it shook the can and the supporters rallied. Nothing has changed so there is disenchantment.
Clubs like the Dogs and North shake the cans every couple of years and their diehards dip in and go again.
Ours seem to have chucked in the towel after one or two attempts .

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The review will reveal honesty.
How many restructures has the club has in fifteen years?
It's had plenty...
One thing that remains the same is the culture of dishonesty.
The outcome will be the same.. Because it's the same environment making each of those restructures..
The clubs going backwards at a rate of knots.

What they don't like about a review is it's findings of cronyism.. See SOS for a recent example of that... Non transparency.. See trigg... Silver bullets.. See the wright fiasco... Unaccountability with money... See Rogers
. total disconnect .. See membership.
All that will be put on paper for them by an independent body and therefore not my 'biased' opinion..
They don't want to hear that..

Don't worry I have an analytical mind.. The independent review will come up with the same thing.
We will restructure recruitment.. ( we always think that's the only problem) but we just signed Barker and Capuano) for two more..
Therefore recruitment needs uprooting but not development.
It's keeping with the half baked planning of yesteryear into tomorrow..
Recipe for success...

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Actually you can't tell us what this club stands for.
What defines this club?
Can you smell what they're coking? Pardon the pun..

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Just remember.. They know what they need to do.. Their going to go it...
But I wonder why they didn't do it earlier?
It's a great plan.. The plan is a process of elimination.. The possibilities are endless...
Amusing to watch... Used to be frustrating.
No longer frustrating.. It's amusing now...

Backyard operation going win a flag..

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I can't disagree with you but the recent decline in membership is not due to that.
The discarding of fan favorites has not sat well with a lot of supporters.
It started with the Pagan cleanout . Who remembers the keep Fev campaign . The letting go of Betts and recruitment of Thomas then you throw in Waite Robbo and Garlett.
Thats what has got the fringe dwellers offside.
There is a bigger underlying problem that needs to be sorted but right now that's what has caused the drop off

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I don't know one person that has not joined because of club favourites. Though I don't doubt there is a%.
I just know a hell of a lot of people who just don't believe in the club anymore.
When a club like hawthorn let buddy go.. Their supporters don't blink an eyelid...
Ask yourself what would happen to Carlton if that scenario happened here and buddy was a blue?
It's all about competence and then people believe in you...

Ridiculous club.. Nobody believes in the club..
I don't blame them ..
How about you?

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Club 'favourites'
Pfffft..
Hawthorn supporters believe in their club.. They believe in its management.
Buddy goes.. We would have signed him up for half of our salary cap.. He's a club favourite...
Everybody is a club favourite
Sticks
Rafts
Fev
Elliott
Mckay
SOS

Can't let anyone move on.. They're club favourites.
Can't move forward...

You see it's a culture..
Buddy was allowed to go and they still win a flag... And create more and new club favourites.
That's how the world spins

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Losing Buddy didn't affect them because they kept winning.
If their stocks had plummeted so would their fan base.
It was the same with us we lost Fev then recorded a record membership because we were competitive and made finals.
Right now we need crowd pullers we don't have any

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You only have club favourites because the club can't move forward and keep conjuring up more.. So you're always looking back not forward.
But isn't that what's in essence wrong this football club?
Cowardly in its ability to really move forward?
Always comfort seeking in the bosom of its past?
Yes it is...!

The club is living in a bubble.. That bubble is it's past...
You just admitted it!

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Losing buddy didn't affect them because they're a professional well run outfit that's planning and evolving...
Which is in stark contrast to our club.
That's why people believe in them and don't believe in us.

That's not an accident
Planning
Competence
Is not accidental... Lol
Only at Carlton people believe that it just happens..

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I did say there was a deep underlying problem that needs fixing but that problem has been there for a while.
Until such time you fix that problem you need to attract people through the gate otherwise it will get worse
The club has taken the notion it needs a change in culture but has only set about making that culture change to the playing group.
But its the administration that needs the culture change first

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Agreed.
The administration sets the tone. Starts at the top and that time flows all the way down.
On Facebook the buzz was Juddy receiving a new car from Hyundai.
There's some elitism right there.. That's not a promotion to get people to buy a membership it's a promotion for Hyundai.
Hyundai have been a loyal supporter of this club over many years and deserve the exposure.. But the fact remains what's the plan for memberships?

The think tank sent an SMS to people to join pay their membership and give their ideas. One of their targets is to make Carlton a giant in business.
Well if they knew business you don't charge for people ideas... You get charged for people's ideas.
This thing is a year old now.. What have they actually implemented?
We should know..!
Or is out an ageist in group that's there for no particular reason.. Except making ties for themselves and being groomed to uphold the current elitist culture.

We've been warning against elitism cronyism and lazy culture for years.
People chose not to recognise it

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Sort of thing we make fun of St Kilda with.

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Since when was membership numbers a "cock measuring contest" I couldn't care if we have a small membership base if we are well run and a success on and off the field. At the moment we're behind all round.

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Since we couldn't overcome the shortfall and we went to the afl for an advance.
Your membership basically is a barometer to how your club is travelling

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An unaccountable board is the most concerning issue.

You can spend a fortune changing the wallpaper as many as you like but if the foundations aren't up to scratch the house eventually falls down.

Should have just adjusted the pokies for a week to make up the shortfall

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Couldn't disagree with you more. Hawthorn work their arses off in fan/membership engagement for exactly that reason.

And 'fan favourites??'. Give me a spell.