I'm not sure if it's the case but if the club thought it's best chances of winning an extra game or two affected where the games were played, I'd be ok with that.

Winning is still the priority.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

They really are a pack of @r$3holes.

As I said earlier, they act like they've got the only seats in town. I can't see the members that have been burned ever returning, me included.

It's a sad state of affairs.

This is what I was referring to, and what exacerbates it is how far we fell, and quickly.

To have your elders watch the club sink hard and gauge their reaction to it, I would imagine it's hard for a 2nd generation (or more) supporter under 25 to feel positive about the football club. That bond has been severed.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

It didn't fall quickly it has been a work in progress over two or so decades.
It's just sinking in...

You see.. When you're relying on Pratt money over the money of members.. You're going to feel it when Pratt family withdraw.. And I'm the meantime you didn't have your eyes on the ball... All us little blokes..
So when the screw turns it all goes pop..
And that's where we find ourselves now.
Don't forget to not piss off the mathiesons.. So you can't piss off the mathiesons.. My oh my! You'd have to say mark is in control of this football club now for sure.
For sure mark is an independent... Lol
The mathiesons would have no say.. Mark is the king of the club now...
Putting their end y in the too two free baskets with their lazy program to take us down.. I mean forth.

Mark be an obedient pup or its going to be more horrible...

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Oh so basically we're kind of sort of back where we stated before the pokies.
What we made in the pokies we lost in the Pratts and lost members..
But the killer is revenue is going to get harder from pokies...

You really do need a proper plan going forward boys.. This isn't going to cut it..
Squeezed from the right.. Squeezed from the left.. Screw turned here.. Screw turned there.. Where do they have to go?

Can you smell what they're cooking?
I can! What about you?

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Collo drove a wedge right down the middle of the club and it has never recovered.
He did it with the backing of the AFL and was cheered on by the Lygon street Pizza makers

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They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

oh yeah.....thanks syd... your analytical powers bring everything together to allow us to see whats going on with great clarity... how can we forget that.....???

lol

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collo drove a wedge through the club ...... and the afl... wahhahahahaha

love that.... !!!

but since collo and before collo... the blues have been in great hands

espcially under sticks and his tutor elliott

aristotle and a young alexander

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Cheers Jez, I'll use that ...even scarier as I ask just about everytime also!....of course assuming someone is there serving...
Not sure whether to feel cheesed off or stupid!

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Greg Lee

cheesed off , you should feel cheesed off.

it should be a closing question that every staff member in that shop asks.

'are you a member? yes? excellent ! welcome to the club today, i can give you 10% discount on your purchase today for being a valuable member of our club'

'are you a member? no? would you like to sign up today? I can show you the benefits of being a member which would include 10% off your purchase today'

not bloody rocket science !!

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Fair duikum Synners some times I think you have your head so far up your arse you cant see daylight.
Ok the club was mismanaged under Elliott. He made a monumental error of judgment and should have been moved on.
But at least under Elliott the supporter group wasn't fractured. Annoyed disillusioned but not fractured.
Collo alienated supporters of Elliott he should have embraced them and brought the club together.
Pratt tried but unfortunately he died and you had the feeling when he was there things were turning around.
Gone off the rails since

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nothing to do with fractured.. and everything to do with elliott and the fact he turned sticks into a demi god.. people were worshipping people like sticks.. still do..
the we dont rebuild mantra
the nobody leaves carlton stuff
the staying at princes park when we could have been at the mcg
the clubs stuck in a culture of seventies .. still is

and has nthing to do with just collo

its everything around the club... its like visiting a museum now...relics everywhere....
ridiculous managment..

sticks president for 6/7 years??? give me a break!!

that says it all about the club
the most important post at the club and sticks is the key man... hahahahaha
ho ho ho ho

hehehehehe

they were taking the piss...

AND

the culture is [REDACTED]!!!!
were not relevant...
sticks president???

and this mark guy????

running the club into the ground....

collo just took over a basketcase... elliot.. and sticks were there
sticks was still there till last year???? hahahaha

joke of a club

people dont wanna hear that... because its hurtful....!!!!

no vision
no direction
no planning
just managing and not restructuring


Look at the personalities around the club over the last 20 years....

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I'm obviously in the minority - I somehow managed to renew my membership without any of the following occurring:

a) Being struck with a cattle prod
b) Having someone from the membership department whisper sweet nothings into my ear over the phone
c) A high ranking club official offering to hold it for me the next time I go to the gents

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ill pinpoint the exact time we lost ground

it was when the vfl died and the afl was born...
we died along with the vfl.. even though we wont 1995 .. on the back of the vfl psyche....
and even though we won 2005.. what was the truth is we were dead and we didnt know it yet...but carring inside the body were mutated cells.. cells that were going to make us weak and eventually kill us..
the signs were there that we had better go to the doctor.. but we didnt take any notice of.. we tried to ignore them and lead life as before
it was apparent to everybody around us.. we were getting pretty sick.. and weak... but we continued boozing and smoking and eating bad... and didnt want to see the doctor and cop our medicine.

right now were on our way to intensive care... hurried off in an ambulance...its worrying but were going to be ok in our mind.... ambulance is blaring sirens
will we get there in time??? i doubt it...

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Feel the attack on the Pratts is a little over the top.

Blame Sticks who approached them cap in hand about 7 or so years ago.

Didn't hear to many complaints when money started to stream back into the club.

no nobody is btching about pratt,,, its about the pratt syndrome.. silver bullets

if you believe in pratt silver bullets .. you also must believe in the antithesis of the pratt silver bullet

so quickly up can also mean quickly down

correct or not???

simply because nothing great happens overnight

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basically im saying if youre going to use silver bullets as a plan.. and youre hoping they catapult you up... you also have to expect theres potential for a dramatic downside....

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I think that the so calle "disconnect" is a convenient excuse for supporters who haven't joined - and refuse to join.

They don't feel valued. They don't feel like a membership represents value. What does it even mean to be "disconnected," I've asked people and they can't answer it. They just know they feel disconnected.

The reality is Carlton, as far as I'm concerned, has the most negative, pessimistic, fair weathered, entitled, unrealistic fan base in the league.

If we had come off the season a team such as Port Adelaide had (and they're a terrific example of what I'm about to say) we'd have more members. Not because of better engagement. Not because of a shiny new venue. But because fans would think we're a chance and they'd want to be a part of it. Our fans, like our club, some may say, didn't adapt and evolve to the changing landscape. We don't appreciate how difficult it is to be successful.

I'll cut the likes of Cretylus and Synbad off here by saying port adelaide are a well run, exciting club. And we've made some errors in admin, drafting and the like. But when port weren't good no one wanted a bar of them. Fact. They tarped off seats and couldn't attract sponsors. No one gave two hoots about them, their fans chief amongst that number, until they started winning games.

For mine, Carlton fans are [REDACTED] who have swarmed to this "disconnected" line not as the cop out it is, but the line they yearned for to relieve or excuse them of having to join up.

What Carlton fans want more than anything is wins. They just can't seem to admit thats the missing ingredient. Its engagement. It's not getting a discount in the shop. Its a renewal website (which, as far as I'm aware, is a template site forced on them by the league). It's the fixture (once again, the club can request particular things, but the AFL might choose to ignore them all together). Its game times (too many night games last year. Too many day games this year).

When and if Carlton start winning games more regularly the number will naturally swell. That's it.

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Whatever happened to this club
I wish I understood
We used to be so strong
We used to be so good

People have stated here what they mean by disconnected and provided examples.

I have joined but I completely understand why people haven't.

they tarped seats off before they got a decent president with some business nous

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.