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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:15 pm 
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there is room to consider that Kreuzer just isn't very durable...



..he isnt alone, near every ruck that was good enough to play a lot of senior footy from the beginning of their careers, is now 'injury prone'.. ..it's mismanagement.. ..the more 'durable rucks' are the late bloomers..

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Last few draft top ten ruck picks

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Krooz 106
Nicnat 108
Leuey 94
Mcevoy 104


And I saw Tom Boyd thrown into the ruck at times on the weekend. A one million dollar a year forward in the infancy of his career is jumping into developed rucks with the potential to do an ACL on landing or PCL with knee to knee contact. All for the sake of "positional flexibility".

I also heard Jack Gunston talking about time in the midfield ... why not play forwards as forward??!!!!



And then clubs and the AFL wonder why no one is going to the footy anymore .


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:17 pm 
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If this thread's any indication, it's going to be a long year.

We played our kids. In regional WA. In February. In difficult conditions.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:18 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Rexy wrote:
there is room to consider that Kreuzer just isn't very durable...



..he isnt alone, near every ruck that was good enough to play a lot of senior footy from the beginning of their careers, is now 'injury prone'.. ..it's mismanagement.. ..the more 'durable rucks' are the late bloomers..

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Last few draft top ten ruck picks

Player games

Krooz 106
Nicnat 108
Leuey 94
Mcevoy 104


...and we picked up the great Cameron Wood who had played about 65 games in over a decade (and he had a good free run with injuries)



And unfortunately still our best option :cry:


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:21 pm 
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Punter22 wrote:
If this thread's any indication, it's going to be a long year.

We played our kids. In regional WA. In February. In difficult conditions.

*hums to himself maniacally while tipping oil drums over inside CFC headquarters*

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:40 pm 
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limestone wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Rexy wrote:
there is room to consider that Kreuzer just isn't very durable...



..he isnt alone, near every ruck that was good enough to play a lot of senior footy from the beginning of their careers, is now 'injury prone'.. ..it's mismanagement.. ..the more 'durable rucks' are the late bloomers..

Edit--

Last few draft top ten ruck picks

Player games

Krooz 106
Nicnat 108
Leuey 94
Mcevoy 104


...and we picked up the great Cameron Wood who had played about 65 games in over a decade (and he had a good free run with injuries)



And unfortunately still our best option :cry:

It was slim pickings last year by all reports, though I think there were a few rookie opportunities (some of whom were completely passed over).

In fact here you go:

8, 50, 57, 61 (pre-selected), 71, 74, R9, R14, R15, R17, R42, R49 (int pre-selected), R60 (int pre-selected), R65 (re-rookie), R68 (Cat B)

That's every pick used on either a ruckman or someone seen as a genuine AFL ruck/forward or ruck/defender last year. There's probably a few more with ruck/forward, ruck/defender potential but they weren't drafted on the back of it as far as I can tell.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:56 pm 
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Don't care about anything else apart from the topic..
Jaksch, future key defender/key forward, Henderson mould....
Cripps, another future key player for our club, has the mind set and work ethic..
Boekhorst, showed enough signs to sugest he will make an impact this year and beyond..
Smith, see above, love the aggression...
Will welcome back,
Jamison, Gibbs, Thomas, Menzel, Judd, Everitt, Carrazzo and Henderson...
With Murphy the following week..


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:14 pm 
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When u look at that list of players:

Our entire midfield. Our best key forward. Our best key back. Our best tagger. Arguably one of our best Wingmen.

I still copped it from my Bummers mates: "You guys suck, can't wait to play you, even our top-ups will beat you". Just when u think they can't get any more dense.. *bam*

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:15 pm 
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Don't make friends with Kool Aid drinking scum is the moral of this story.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:12 pm 
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Barone wrote:
We need to push forward, our second tier players are just average. Whats wrong with them? why cant they just step it up! Its been the same case for 10 years.

Bell, Curnow, Buckley, Watson and the likes had their chance to help cement a spot in the 22, but they just arnt desperate enough. why?



Because the bulk of our experienced leaders weren't playing.

Throughout the season, injury or even suspension may cost a few leaders to miss at the same time. Never basically all of them.

Let's hypothetically say that the team we fielded versus West Coast was our best 22. Who would you choose as captain? Name the leadership group.

That side was glaringly bereft of natural born leaders, especially ones with experience. Hence the lack of spirit on display. Hell, not even the coach was there and in truth, these guys had nobody there at the ground to truly prove themselves to. Particularly given that it was only the NAB cup.

Yeah, maybe it highlighted some deficiencies to work on but I for one was happy to see us get through the game unscathed whilst giving the new players a rough idea of what is required.

An excellent result and one to build on.

For once we are approaching the season as a marathon.

I like it.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:21 pm 
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One more point to consider, that I haven't seen brought up:

We play WCE in Round 2, and they had close to a full 22. You can't ask the players to play dumb, but you can manipulate the structures and rotate heavily enough to create the slack for the opposition to have them show their hand a little bit.

It's a small consideration, but I suspect it may have been an element in the mix.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:13 am 
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jimmae wrote:
One more point to consider, that I haven't seen brought up:

We play WCE in Round 2, and they had close to a full 22. You can't ask the players to play dumb, but you can manipulate the structures and rotate heavily enough to create the slack for the opposition to have them show their hand a little bit.

It's a small consideration, but I suspect it may have been an element in the mix.



Absolutely.

We are talking Malthouse v Simpson here.

That's not to say it's a tactic that would payoff but it is certainly a possibility.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:43 am 
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jimmae wrote:
One more point to consider, that I haven't seen brought up:

We play WCE in Round 2, and they had close to a full 22. You can't ask the players to play dumb, but you can manipulate the structures and rotate heavily enough to create the slack for the opposition to have them show their hand a little bit.

It's a small consideration, but I suspect it may have been an element in the mix.


Or conversely you could play a team that will hardly resemble the team you will field in round 2.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:05 am 
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No big deal. Plenty of players out. A few of the kids were thrown in the deep end which is exactly what was required.
A few stepped up and a couple will be better for the hit out. Whatever, the case, the result is totally irrelevant with the team we put on the park. Give me that over a bunch of experienced players running around in the NAB Cup every time.

The key is to get a healthy list out on the park Round 1.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:06 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
No big deal. Plenty of players out. A few of the kids were thrown in the deep end which is exactly what was required.
A few stepped up and a couple will be better for the hit out. Whatever, the case, the result is totally irrelevant with the team we put on the park. Give me that over a bunch of experienced players running around in the NAB Cup every time.

The key is to get a healthy list out on the park Round 1.



I agree ... but it still does not address the game plan issue.

There are three possibilities.

1. The Game Plan was poorly executed because of inexperienced players ... and no matter how much they have been drilled in the pre-season, either the message was poorly received and badly implemented or poorly communicated.

2. The Game Plan was terrible ... (you have to love that Bomb).

3. There is no Game Plan ... :thanks:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:22 am 
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Group of kids playing together for the first time against a seasoned AFL outfit.

I didn't even watch, totally 0 care factor for that game.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:21 am 
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dane wrote:
Don't make friends with Kool Aid drinking scum is the moral of this story.


His whole family are Carlton, he just decided Essendon* one day :screwy: . As kids, his mum used to drop him off to my place and we'd go to Carlton Essendon* games together. She'd say: "you have your jacket, your lunch, your train money. Have fun and I hope you lose". Inspiration woman.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:29 am 
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Very sad indeed. I think someone must have dropped him as a baby.

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http://www.sen.com.au/news/cam-mooney-t ... -the-blues

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Critics were quick to judge Carlton’s loss in their first pre-season match, but Cameron Mooney says it is unfair to judge the Blues given they had so much talent that did not feature against West Coast.

The Eagles controlled the play for much of the game and even restricted Carlton to just three clearances for the first half.

That had many commentators quick to propose that this was a sign of things to come for the Blues this season.

“When you have the likes of Gibbs, Murphy Carrazzo and Juddy out of your midfield they’re going to struggle – they got beaten up around the ball a little bit,” said Mooney on SEN radio.

“They seriously kicked into a six-goal wind in the first quarter so by the time the second term came around the game was virtually over.”

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:18 pm 
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dane wrote:
Very sad indeed. I think someone must have dropped him as a baby.


You don't even know how right you are.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:20 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
One more point to consider, that I haven't seen brought up:

We play WCE in Round 2, and they had close to a full 22. You can't ask the players to play dumb, but you can manipulate the structures and rotate heavily enough to create the slack for the opposition to have them show their hand a little bit.

It's a small consideration, but I suspect it may have been an element in the mix.

The commentators at the game suggested something similar. Don't want to show our hand early.


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