Kreuz always makes a contest so good in that regard and at least makes a significant contest at ground level but only time he dominated as a forward was a number of years ago when we beat Port at Port when he went forward and kicked 4 or 5 in a quarter or so and took a couple of strong contested marks - was before he injured knee

In my view if we can get him rucking well injury free and resting in the forward line and playing like that this may be the difference between us being an also ran as opposed to making the 8

..krooz is a very good all round ruck, and in the ruck can push forward to kick goals.. ..we can set up the forward line without needing him to be a major part of it.. ..bolt as relief ruck, and keep him close to the goals.. ..hendo and walker will lead and run all game long..

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Could White be the next Wiggens - a tough lead up forward. He did do well in that one 4 goal game last year. White forward with Walker back ? (I do like Walker as a forward but remember being frustrated when he would just fly for everything. (course I was less frustrated when he actually grabbed it!)
Most people don't appear to be able to see a spot for white (other than backup). He appeared to make some progress last year from what posters were saying...
I think the more lead up forwards we have the less tendency we will have to launch the bomb.

Arnhem white is a good foot soldier and versatile but I think it will difficult to fit him in to a forward line with presumably Jones hendo levi
Also to move forward I think that white should be struggling to get a game in our 22 - he is strong and tough but skills ie up and under kicks are deficient
I also know what you mean with walker but has a lot more to offer when the ball hits the ground than white

Agree with this. I think we'll see all three talls leading up at different points (Hendo, Levi, Jones) and be circled by one of Walker, Menzel, Smith, Tutt.... perhaps Buckley even.... in case the ball hits the deck.

I think White is a depth swingman.

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White is smaller than Casboult Jones & Henderson.
Smaller than Jakch Rowe & Jamison.
Maybe something to do with his "back up' role.

I thought he'd make it as a tall forward. He's better than Merrington. Remember him?

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Here are my thoughts on white. Whilst he lacks a little in certain "finesse"areas, he more than makes up for it in toughness and he therefore provides something else that other players may lack. A good team has a mix of player types, and I think he is a worthwhile addition to our mix.

He is being groomed as a swingman IMO. Most people have he and Jaksch paired together for the same spot ie third defensive tall. Having both in the backline makes us too tall IMO although I think he is only 190 which in todays footy is not that big.

Jaksch is too good a player to be languishing in the 2's . I feel that Mick will want to develop him in the seniors asap. Jaksch's efforts on Waite and Henderson in 2014 shows that he is up to it. If he cant handle the third tall which lets face it arent the gorilla types anyway then there is something wrong with our selection.. I have him in our 22 for round 1 and therefore we need to look elsewhere for White.

I think a position beckons as a defensive forward who can play tall-ish- think Walker without the athleticism but with more grunt. There are some that have suggested that he may be suited to the midfield. I am unsure of how clean his hands are for that, but I am sure that the development team can assess and decide whether this is a posibility.

Imo I think White is a good back up (depth) player..
Tall defenders;
Rowe Jamison Jaksch
Tall forwards;
Henderson Casboult Jones
Add Walker and Everitt to the mix also, for that medium defence/attacking type..
Have some guys fighting over some spots,
Simpson Jamison Buckley
Yarran Rowe Docherty
Boekhorst Cripps Walker
Thomas Henderson Judd
Jones Casboult Menzel
Kreuzer Murphy Gibbs
I/C; Jaksch Curnow Everitt Carrazzo
Tuohy, Sheehan and Smith may fight over a spot with Buckley??
Whiley, Bell and Graham may do the same with Cripps, Curnow and Carrazzo??
Maybe Matt Dick comes in to the mix??
Do the mc like Tutt as a player in our "22" ahead of others??

Can't really comment on Tutt atm.

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The key point out of all the discussion is that for once we have competition for positions on each line.

This is the first time in many years that I think this has happened.

It can only be a good thing when we have selected a strong side and we still have players we think are unlucky to miss out.

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Agree GiNB re:



There are a few talls/ruckmen competing for *a few fewer* places in the side. First chances should go to the ones showing the best form/combo mix at the time.

Re: Best 22 - At the moment this is like betting on a maiden race with not much exposed form. For mine best 22 is a different argument late season and into finals, as it is pre-season when there is a bunch on the list who haven't even run out for the side yet.

Right now - amongst the recruits I only have Jones pencilled in my R1 likely side, but there are eight other senior list draftees and three rookee draftees I have left out at the moment because I haven't seen them live yet.

I no longer believe any hype re: draftees until I have seen them play. Optimistic and hopeful and wary sametime re: this years' lot. But there is indeed a lot of them this time. Fingers crossed alright. Hopefully we have got really lucky with a couple of picks and lucky enough with three or four more. I can't even try to pick them.

Only 16 days now to NAB challenge to see the first few experiments.

Heard Kreuz injured again and in a moon boot - can any one confirm

Well after the intraclub it sounds like we have some options if last year's regulars drop away.

My round 1 prediction:

FB: Sheehan Jamison Docherty
HB: Yarran Rowe Tuohy
CC: Gibbs Murphy Simpson
HF: Jones Henderson Boekhurst
FF: Menzel Casboult Buckley

RR: Wood Cripps Judd

Int: Bell Curnow Thomas Watson

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..a lot of run in your team jimmae, not much height..

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I like Bell and IBM in the interchange.

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everit injured? not up to it?

Unlucky.

BKB I think you're missing the part where Jones & Watson are in the mix, leaving Hendo or Watto to play at either end as needed. The sub spot would be rotated for midfielders most of the time.

To clarify what I see in the next tiers of the list:

Automatic selections:
Walker, Kreuzer

In the mix:
White, Everitt, Carrazzo, Graham

Ones to watch:
Byrne, Smith, Viojo-Rainbow, Jaksch, Tutt, Armfield

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I'll put money on it that Everitt is selected for round 1 if fit.

I understand jimmies selection based on intra club hit out.

Everitt took a good mark and kicked a goal in the 1stQ playing for the weak team.

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..Jimmae, I did see watto on the bench.. ..the back six looks short, two kpds but the rest are small to low medium height running defenders.. ..not even a genuine lockdown bp either.. .... ..good run and long kicking sure, a very attacking back six,, but we still don't defend and run two ways enough upfield.. ....and I'm not sure we'll win enough games with a run and gun shootout gameplan..

..not sure Jones and watto will play in the same forwardline..

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