..even the Hun thinks we are silly for trying to make Krooz a forward ruck.. ....not sure about Carrots' prospects this season either.. ..is it safe to thin we (mostly) all think Walker should play forward..?..

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You value what the HUN has to say?
They know jack shite about our list.
They source information from TC or BF.

I don't know why you devalue Kreuzers ability to play forward.

I'm hoping Kreuzer is our No 1 ruckman unless Warnock can.....nah he won't.
Kreuzer will have to play forward at times during play...relief from Casboult.

I prefer to look for reasons why Kreuzer has under performed as a forward after his first year.
I don't buy the excuse that his best forward work was only when he drifted forward as a ruckman.
I saw him play forward with success and know he can perform as a forward IF fully fit and not top heavy.

I can't wait to see him finally dominate the ruck and using his mobility to be the extra mid.
He's had his best preseason ever. That should count for something.

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And re the HUN......it's for numb nuts reading.....in fact all the press are twice removed from the list - save for a couple of die hards like Sam Edmund

..this is my point exactly.. ..if the Hun can see how silly it is to remould krooz and suffer a one trick pony (with an average trick a that), then it's blatantly obvious to everyone else.. .... ..krooz may become a decent forward, I've actually said he gives himself Goal Shot opportunity.. ..it's just his natural and best position is main ruck.. ..a ruckmen needs to be involved in all aspects of general play, otherwise they are a passenger.. ..krooz would be one of the best all round work horse rucks in the game.. ..ppl get turned on by a ruck that kicks goals, but they rest up forward for a tiny fraction.. ..the best rucks are always the all round rucks..

..this isn't an excuse, go back over his games and tally up his goals, most are in general play as a ruckman.. ..in his first year he snagged a few resting forward, but fev was always double and triple teamed, it says less about krooz forward craft and more about the crap other tall forward options we had at the time..

..all his Charlie votes, in the ruck.. ..finishing 5th in club BnF in his 2nd season was wit him in the ruck.. ..a massive achievement for a 19yr old ruck, not a common thing at all.. ..and we made finals that year, so not as if the entire team was crap and he was gifted the result.. ..he was rated so highly because of his around the ground work.. ..after the tap, he is an onballer.. ..he hunts the ball, he runs up and back all day long.. ..he is the prototype ruckman.. ..the giants don't keep up, and few ever do well longterm.. ..Sandi is the exception to the rule, not the rule itself..

..knockers is a dead set passenger..

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..murphy had a season where he averaged over a goal a game, should he be a small forward..??.. ..I reckon he'd be two goals a game as a small forward easily, he'd be quite good actually.. ..but he is a mid, every day of the week.. ..this is why we are so far behind and our team list is a shambles.. ..we draft a certain type, and then try and reshape them to plug holes.. ..we slow young development, and chase our tails come off season player movements..

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..krooz will be good resting forward of he also plays main ruck, but currently the team is lining up with him as a forward, bit part ruck.. ..knockers will be give the main ruck..

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That's what I'm afraid of.

Imo Warnock needs to really improve all aspects of his game if he is to cease being a passenger

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..krooz will be forward, relief ruck.. ..main ruck will be either knockers or wood.... ..shambles..

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/a ... 7197333734

I wonder if they have proof readers at the HUN. Worst paper in Australia for both content and quality.

"There’s still plenty of class on the list, led by Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs, Kade Simpson, Chris Yarran, Andrew Walker and Bryce Gibbs. "

Bryce Gibbs is quality as well.

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Wood got ABSOLUTELY smashed against the Port rucks in the thrashing. They got an armchair ride from their rucks and ripped through us accordingly.

Wood was preferred over Warncok because TBH Warnock was useless including his tap work at that stage.

I'm hoping we win the ruck at the ball ups and around the ground....only Kreuzer can help us around the ground unless the W's improve dramatically over the preseason....and if they dont, the may well start as our No 1 rucks, but if Hendo Jones and Casboult click as the tall targets, I have no doubt Kreuzer will resume the No 1 ruck role changing with Casboult if all are available and fit.

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Agree Bondi cant see how big knockers or wood are our first ruck and Kreuz is a forward and occasional ruckman .In my view the only way we win a few more games than last year is levi relieves kreuz and kreuz is number one ruckman - Warnock and wood both are reserves and a team with Warnock kreuz and levi doesn't give enough run - Warnock cant mark and does little round the ground but is a tap ruckman - wood does enough around the ground but isn't a tap ruckman
Kreuz is both - and if fit don't think we can have the luxury of playing the other 2
doesn't mean kreuz shouldn't be working on forward play because he will rest there when levi is in the ruck

Maybe that isn't the clubs thinking who knows but if Warnock kreuz and levi play against Richmond on April 2 I think we are not likely to win

I don't believe any of our ruckmen can operate effectively as part time forwards.

I don't see Levi as a ruckman.

My preferred option is for Kreuz to ruck all day ... Levi to stay in the goal square.

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I thought Levi performed very well as a relief ruck man this year.

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..he is ok around the ground, but is a key forward and doesn't know how t get enough ball around the ground.. ..he isn't much for actual ruck work, ideally krooz would carry the majority of time.. ..but news from the club is, he will be forward them relief ruck.. ..first ruck is a battle between knockers and wood.. ..laughable..

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Dumb idea ... that would mean we can't play Levi.

You could not have Henderson, Levi, Kreuz, Jones all together in the forward line. So either Madhouse would need to rotate Kreuz with Levi or ... Levi would not play.

Levi is a much better forward option than Kreuz.

When we have those haphazard bombs into the forward line that Madhouse loves ... I would rather Big Levi was there to catch a few.

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When has kreuzer ever been given a definitive forward role? I dare say never! I agree as a part time forward he never impressed, but if Mick can teach Jones to jump differently and make him a better player then maybe we need to have room for the idea that Kreuzer can improve as well. He looks much lighter and more mobile now. His heavy days are behind him as it didnt work. He is a great follower type ruckmen but the taller guys make him look average.

I did too.

The more I looked at repeats and really watched him, I thought he showed more than Kreuzer and matched Warnocks output due to height.

If I had the choice between Wood and Levi I'd take Levi.

I'd take Levi over Warnocks spiralling form in latter 2014.

Levi is raw big and young. He's a work in progress.
Imo he will get his kicking for goal working.
...and when he does he will be winning games and all of the sudden this part time ruckman is the hottest property in the AFL ala 'Buckets' Stuart Lowe.

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..plenty of games actually..

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