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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:32 am 
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in his grand final wins with WCE he had Peter Sumich and a couple other quality forwards l can't think of now.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:47 am 
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Don't worry guys, l know what the game plan is and the boys are getting well educated on the around the boundary line game plan this off season according to the Hun.

A good quote was that Carlton the last two years have the highest % of using the boundary.

But with the education of the younger players, we won't miss a beat.

So for the people that actually think this will be turned around, forget it. Blues might make finals this year with such an easy draw, but we are going no where as a club until he goes.

Around the boundary line is the only way this guys know how to coach for the last 35 years and it won't change.

Malthouse fans are obviously around the boundary line game plan fans. A game plan that gets ripped apart in the modern game against the top teams.

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It's ripped apart by the top teams because they are...... THE TOP @#$%&! TEAMS. Although I think we're on the up, WE ARE NOT A TOP @#$%&! TEAM.

I don't see why playing around the boundary is inferior to running in waves as Port do, or chipping the ball around by foot like Hawthorn do. Or locking the ball into a rolling maul like Sydney do. They are all successful because they are a) talented, b) have a high work rate and c) play as a team.

As long as the players buy into the game plan, and the coaches implement the game plan correctly and tweak it as necessary depending on match-ups and opposition game plans, I don't see a problem.

Even bad teams know how to defend against it. We just win or just lose to those teams. We lost to Melbourne FFS. They move their zone over to the wings. High % of the time there is a spoil with 30 odd players all on the wing, it goes out of bounds, turned over or a low percentage kick goes into the forward line. This game plan only works if you have tall forwards that can take a mark and kick a goal. Pies 2010 with Mick he had Cloke and Dawes. in his grand final wins with WCE he had Peter Sumich and a couple other quality forwards l can't think of now. If Casabolt and Hendo can turn things around then it can work, but rarely kick a big bag or multiple goals consistently


I agree with some of what you're saying - especially the lower percentage kicks into the forward line, and our forwards not being of the same calibre as the ones at Malthouses disposal in his premiership years.

However, while everyone knows how Port, Hawthorn and Sydney plays, not everyone can beat them. It's about how well you execute it, and how well you shut down *their* style. I don't think our game plan is now as it was in Malthouses first year. I remember going to watch us play Brisbane in the NAB cup final at Etihad, seeing us run the ball down the middle of the ground, pause, turn 45 degrees and kick the ball to the corner of the 50 and I thought "this is going to be a long season". I don't think we're as one dimensional anymore. The plan has been tweaked, and I thought (particularly out of defense) our running patterns improved markedly through 2014. People keep knocking the "around the boundary" style for its flaws in offence when its biggest advantage is defense. A lower scoring game means we don't need to score as much.

What style of play do you think would fit the current playing group?

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Mick Malthouse will have to wait for a new deal at Carlton until late in season 2015

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-pre ... 7186903368

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CARLTON are set to hold off offering coach Mick Malthouse a new deal until late in 2015.

New Blues CEO Steven Trigg said the club wanted to wait before committing to Malthouse and see how the team performed in the coming season.

Trigg said the club had been guilty of quick fixes in the past and wanted to see continual improvement across the board.

“We’ve said we’d like to leave that until later in the season and Mick’s on song with that,” he told SEN on Thursday.

“There’s no reason for us to rush into that, for a range of reasons.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:21 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
Don't worry guys, l know what the game plan is and the boys are getting well educated on the around the boundary line game plan this off season according to the Hun.

A good quote was that Carlton the last two years have the highest % of using the boundary.

But with the education of the younger players, we won't miss a beat.

So for the people that actually think this will be turned around, forget it. Blues might make finals this year with such an easy draw, but we are going no where as a club until he goes.

Around the boundary line is the only way this guys know how to coach for the last 35 years and it won't change.

Malthouse fans are obviously around the boundary line game plan fans. A game plan that gets ripped apart in the modern game against the top teams.

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Hey come on ... he's a champ. This style has won him 1 premiership in the last 19 years ... so we can't be too critical.
Lets hope the old Madhouse has more cards up his sleeve this year. Another debacle like 2014 will result in him only getting a 5 year extension.

But seriously ... can't wait for Carlton Richmond 1st round clash. Forever hopeful.

Go Blues.



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:24 pm 
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........This game plan only works if you have tall forwards that can take a mark and kick a goal. Pies 2010 with Mick he had Cloke and Dawes. in his grand final wins with WCE he had Peter Sumich and a couple other quality forwards l can't think of now....

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:34 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
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........This game plan only works if you have tall forwards that can take a mark and kick a goal. Pies 2010 with Mick he had Cloke and Dawes. in his grand final wins with WCE he had Peter Sumich and a couple other quality forwards l can't think of now....

Strong argument.


..he does have a point, we haven't won anything since we started taking a mark and handballing through the goals..

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:33 pm 
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I'm a strong believer that he leaves clubs in a much better place culturally.

My views confirmed over the weekend with feedback from a well respected CEO whom MM had previously worked for. Said that Mick will live and die by the culture he builds. Key principle is to seek young men of great character.

I think further re- enforced by some our de-listings this year and the style of recruits being brought in.

In the end he will live and die by games success. However, I'm comfortable in the knowledge that we are building a culture that will be far superior to the mediocrity we have accommodated since the beginning of the century.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:34 pm 
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london blue wrote:
I'm a strong believer that he leaves clubs in a much better place culturally.

My views confirmed over the weekend with feedback from a well respected CEO whom MM had previously worked for. Said that Mick will live and die by the culture he builds. Key principle is to seek young men of great character.

I think further re- enforced by some our de-listings this year and the style of recruits being brought in.

In the end he will live and die by games success. However, I'm comfortable in the knowledge that we are building a culture that will be far superior to the mediocrity we have accommodated since the beginning of the century.


I feel that way too.

Walk.

Then run.

We're coming from a long way back.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:10 am 
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GWS wrote:
london blue wrote:
I'm a strong believer that he leaves clubs in a much better place culturally.

My views confirmed over the weekend with feedback from a well respected CEO whom MM had previously worked for. Said that Mick will live and die by the culture he builds. Key principle is to seek young men of great character.

I think further re- enforced by some our de-listings this year and the style of recruits being brought in.

In the end he will live and die by games success. However, I'm comfortable in the knowledge that we are building a culture that will be far superior to the mediocrity we have accommodated since the beginning of the century.


I feel that way too.

Walk.

Then run.

We're coming from a long way back.


I only hope you are right ... so far we have gone backwards.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:34 am 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
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london blue wrote:
I'm a strong believer that he leaves clubs in a much better place culturally.

My views confirmed over the weekend with feedback from a well respected CEO whom MM had previously worked for. Said that Mick will live and die by the culture he builds. Key principle is to seek young men of great character.

I think further re- enforced by some our de-listings this year and the style of recruits being brought in.

In the end he will live and die by games success. However, I'm comfortable in the knowledge that we are building a culture that will be far superior to the mediocrity we have accommodated since the beginning of the century.


I feel that way too.

Walk.

Then run.

We're coming from a long way back.


I only hope you are right ... so far we have gone backwards.


backwards? yes, in games won and lost. the ultimate measuring stick

however, gone forwards with respect to developing a superior culture (ie behaviours)


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BigBlueWave wrote:
GWS wrote:
london blue wrote:
I'm a strong believer that he leaves clubs in a much better place culturally.

My views confirmed over the weekend with feedback from a well respected CEO whom MM had previously worked for. Said that Mick will live and die by the culture he builds. Key principle is to seek young men of great character.

I think further re- enforced by some our de-listings this year and the style of recruits being brought in.

In the end he will live and die by games success. However, I'm comfortable in the knowledge that we are building a culture that will be far superior to the mediocrity we have accommodated since the beginning of the century.


I feel that way too.

Walk.

Then run.

We're coming from a long way back.


I only hope you are right ... so far we have gone backwards.


Sometimes you need to go back (reshape the list, build a strong culture) in order to go forward.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:32 am 
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london blue wrote:
I'm a strong believer that he leaves clubs in a much better place culturally.

My views confirmed over the weekend with feedback from a well respected CEO whom MM had previously worked for. Said that Mick will live and die by the culture he builds. Key principle is to seek young men of great character.

I think further re- enforced by some our de-listings this year and the style of recruits being brought in.

In the end he will live and die by games success. However, I'm comfortable in the knowledge that we are building a culture that will be far superior to the mediocrity we have accommodated since the beginning of the century.


We've been building a list since the penalties in 2002. Did we miss top 4 because of a lack of talent with all those high picks? Was it because of bad off field culture? Was it the coaching?

It was something, perhaps a combo of things. I've always had my doubts about the character of a lot of our players. The talent was there. I saw laziness and a lack of discipline on the field. I heard of players off field issues. I saw some average skill executions that cost us.

I'm sure that character of players is a vital piece of the puzzle to win a flag. Step in the right direction.

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bondiblue wrote:
london blue wrote:
I'm a strong believer that he leaves clubs in a much better place culturally.

My views confirmed over the weekend with feedback from a well respected CEO whom MM had previously worked for. Said that Mick will live and die by the culture he builds. Key principle is to seek young men of great character.

I think further re- enforced by some our de-listings this year and the style of recruits being brought in.

In the end he will live and die by games success. However, I'm comfortable in the knowledge that we are building a culture that will be far superior to the mediocrity we have accommodated since the beginning of the century.


We've been building a list since the penalties in 2002. Did we miss top 4 because of a lack of talent with all those high picks? Was it because of bad off field culture? Was it the coaching?

It was something, perhaps a combo of things. I've always had my doubts about the character of a lot of our players. The talent was there. I saw laziness and a lack of discipline on the field. I heard of players off field issues. I saw some average skill executions that cost us.

I'm sure that character of players is a vital piece of the puzzle to win a flag. Step in the right direction.



Perhaps you should question the character of our current coach and his motives first then question who and what he is trying to teach?
Hinckley built a culture over one preseason from a bunch of spooners and made finals in his first year then a kick to get in the big one against the eventual winners the next.
Has no one conveyed your theory to the port rejects and the rookie coach?
11 wins equalled Rattens sacked year followed by 7 ½ wins last year, certainly going backwards.
Don’t worry great draw coming up I’m sure malthouse will return us to the great heights of his predecessors win/loss ratio.
It is time for the forward step now after taking the same group backward, oui.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:08 pm 
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The Westcoast Malthouse left behind eventually went pear shaped with drug problems and culture. His years at Collingwood were marred by out of control players, drug and alcohol problems. Malthouse loves deflecting blame from players, taking the heat and empowering the individual. Srwecond half of 2014 and The best players at Carlton finally bought in. Dean Laidley is making a big difference with players like Bryce, Bell and Yarran. There are dificienies but overall this is a bigger, more potent and mature group of blokes with good character. They'll build to something substantial just got to be patient as they are still a year or two away. The top sides are pulling away as a result of free agency. Better sides turn over 5 or so players a year. Sides like Richmond and Dockers don't so watch am slide. The two we got from GWS are the great SOS's gift to the club. Both will be seriously good footballers as recognised by the sharpest minds in recruiting. This is going to be a really exciting year for the Blues. Already seeing heaps of car stickers around the traps. Bring it on!


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redback wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
london blue wrote:
I'm a strong believer that he leaves clubs in a much better place culturally.

My views confirmed over the weekend with feedback from a well respected CEO whom MM had previously worked for. Said that Mick will live and die by the culture he builds. Key principle is to seek young men of great character.

I think further re- enforced by some our de-listings this year and the style of recruits being brought in.

In the end he will live and die by games success. However, I'm comfortable in the knowledge that we are building a culture that will be far superior to the mediocrity we have accommodated since the beginning of the century.


We've been building a list since the penalties in 2002. Did we miss top 4 because of a lack of talent with all those high picks? Was it because of bad off field culture? Was it the coaching?

It was something, perhaps a combo of things. I've always had my doubts about the character of a lot of our players. The talent was there. I saw laziness and a lack of discipline on the field. I heard of players off field issues. I saw some average skill executions that cost us.

I'm sure that character of players is a vital piece of the puzzle to win a flag. Step in the right direction.



Perhaps you should question the character of our current coach and his motives first then question who and what he is trying to teach?
Hinckley built a culture over one preseason from a bunch of spooners and made finals in his first year then a kick to get in the big one against the eventual winners the next.
Has no one conveyed your theory to the port rejects and the rookie coach?
11 wins equalled Rattens sacked year followed by 7 ½ wins last year, certainly going backwards.
Don’t worry great draw coming up I’m sure malthouse will return us to the great heights of his predecessors win/loss ratio.
It is time for the forward step now after taking the same group backward, oui.


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redback wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
london blue wrote:
I'm a strong believer that he leaves clubs in a much better place culturally.

My views confirmed over the weekend with feedback from a well respected CEO whom MM had previously worked for. Said that Mick will live and die by the culture he builds. Key principle is to seek young men of great character.

I think further re- enforced by some our de-listings this year and the style of recruits being brought in.

In the end he will live and die by games success. However, I'm comfortable in the knowledge that we are building a culture that will be far superior to the mediocrity we have accommodated since the beginning of the century.


We've been building a list since the penalties in 2002. Did we miss top 4 because of a lack of talent with all those high picks? Was it because of bad off field culture? Was it the coaching?

It was something, perhaps a combo of things. I've always had my doubts about the character of a lot of our players. The talent was there. I saw laziness and a lack of discipline on the field. I heard of players off field issues. I saw some average skill executions that cost us.

I'm sure that character of players is a vital piece of the puzzle to win a flag. Step in the right direction.



Perhaps you should question the character of our current coach and his motives first then question who and what he is trying to teach?
Hinckley built a culture over one preseason from a bunch of spooners and made finals in his first year then a kick to get in the big one against the eventual winners the next.
Has no one conveyed your theory to the port rejects and the rookie coach?
11 wins equalled Rattens sacked year followed by 7 ½ wins last year, certainly going backwards.
Don’t worry great draw coming up I’m sure malthouse will return us to the great heights of his predecessors win/loss ratio.
It is time for the forward step now after taking the same group backward, oui.

The opposite of :clap:

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The opposite of the opposite of :clap:

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The opposite of the opposite of :clap:

:razz:

Hehe. No prizes for second.

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