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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:21 pm 
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..seriously, I understand and agree with the sentiment.... ..but a good dozen are ahead of the pack in regards to being 'walk up starts'.. ..it would take injury and/or serious off field issues to turn them off..

.....and curnow is one of those 12?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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london blue wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..seriously, I understand and agree with the sentiment.... ..but a good dozen are ahead of the pack in regards to being 'walk up starts'.. ..it would take injury and/or serious off field issues to turn them off..

.....and curnow is one of those 12?


..yep.... ..sounding under rated on here.. ....however my post was more in regards to the 'no walk up starts' comment..

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Curnow was rated the 2nd best tagger in the comp behind Crowley
He does his job

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Sydney Blue wrote:
Curnow was rated the 2nd best tagger in the comp behind Crowley
He does his job


..and he does it fairly too..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:11 pm 
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Curnow is an good honest footballer ... he basically does his job in a struggling side.

Though in time he will be surpassed, he is certainly in our best current 22.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:58 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Curnow is an good honest footballer ... he basically does his job in a struggling side.

Though in time he will be surpassed, he is certainly in our best current 22.


..not that way we have recruited.... ..he'll retire before being surpassed..


....have been thinking about our ruck playing future.. ....with the talk of the new role for krooz, I automatically figured him for being forward and second ruck.... ..but today I have been thinking that it might mean a ruck combo of krooz and bolt, Both playing an even fifty split.. ....I don't think we can carry two ruckmen sized players in the forward line together.. ....and I dont think we'd have invested in bolt to see him play reserves.... ..though with this club who knows..?..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:42 pm 
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Why must Kreuzer rest forward when not rucking and not back? I have never been inspired by his forward performances. With the full back of the century back in the fold surely he can teach him a trick or two. With nearly every club playing their 2nd ruck forward, surely it makes sense to have a ruckman sized defender there at times, especially a competitive beast like Matthew.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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..because as a forward he can dictate more of the play.. ..but as a defender, he would quickly be run around, not giving him any chance of resting.. ..ya dig..?..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:41 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..because as a forward he can dictate more of the play.. ..but as a defender, he would quickly be run around, not giving him any chance of resting.. ..ya dig..?..

Sorry I am not convinced he dictates anything whilst playing forward from what I have seen so far. Hopefully he will prove me wrong, I love him in the team, I just don't have your blind motherly love of him as yet.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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..resting forward after rucking, or even having him spend a few mins on the bench, and play only ruck for majority of game.. ..not a fan of the idea of him playing as a forward ruck..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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MM has a decision to make. Casboult is good in the air and passable in the ruck but @#$%&! useless when the ball hits the deck and a shit kick. Krooz is a good kick, very good below his knees and a good ruckman, but not much of contested mark..........at the moment.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:07 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
MM has a decision to make. Casboult is good in the air and passable in the ruck but @#$%&! useless when the ball hits the deck and a shit kick. Krooz is a good kick, very good below his knees and a good ruckman, but not much of contested mark..........at the moment.


..krooz will give himself about the same, if not more,, shots on goal than bolt would get in the same forward ruck role.. ....I just think he can be elite, if played as prime ruck week in week out.. ..which is why he was so good and what we picked him for..

....knockers, for all his taps, is average at center bounces and crap around the ground stoppages.. ..after the tap he is useless, and up forward he is a liability.. ..I did most of his games with the breakdown of stats.. ..average rucking ability, crap everywhere else.. ..27, no upper body strength,, out of contract end of 2015.. ..will we continue to hold out for him..?.. ..he's had more opportunity as prime ruck, and only ever prime ruck, than krooz.. ..it's ridiculous, especially since he is older and two years more in the system.. ....what other ruck, Wood..?.. ..and we have krooz and just won't use him where he thrives.. ..madness.. ..in the middle of princes street..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:05 am 
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Not sold on Kreuz who has not lived up to expectations for a number of reasons ... he has a lot to prove and deserves a serious crack at it in 2015 ... Warnock also has not developed into a player although he has shown glimpses. I do like Levi up forward and reckon he will be a dominant force this year if he is given plenty of opportunity by Madhouse.

We will see.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Our second tier mids are the key to the immediate future. Players like Bell and Curnow, Cripps, Graham have to show something. And I am hoping one or more of our new players will get a regular spot and have an impact.
The best 22 has to look different from last year's or we can not be expected to improve.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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And Casboult

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:55 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Our second tier mids are the key to the immediate future. Players like Bell and Curnow, Cripps, Graham have to show something. And I am hoping one or more of our new players will get a regular spot and have an impact.
The best 22 has to look different from last year's or we can not be expected to improve.


..Curnow is fine, has proven himself.. ..doesn't have the class of our top three mids, but he is first tier in my book all the same.. ..Crisps will be class, for as long as he lasts before he tires out.. ..will be slowly building his tank but more a case of just waiting for his engine, versus wondering if he 'has it'.. ..Bell and Graham i'm not sold on.. ..role players, depth/fringe types.. ..Bell a bit more of a chance..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:42 pm 
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Maybe we need to discuss Menzel, Walker, Boekhorst, cripps as our second tier mids?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:44 pm 
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..flankers/wingers, except crisps..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:32 pm 
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Hoping Casboult, Henderson and Jones can dominate the forward line..
Cripps, Menzel, Buckley, boekhorst, rainbow and smith will add youth and excitement for our group..
Docherty and Thomas can only get better...
Can,
Gowers, Giles, Foster, Dick, Walsh, Tutt, Whiley or Fields break into the team???
Fingers crossed for Jaksch to make it, shows promise.. What a difference that would make!!
January could be the most boring month without footy....


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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B: Zach Tuohy, Michael Jamison, Andrew Walker
HB: Chris Yarran, Sam Rowe, Kade Simpson
C: Ed Curnow, Marc Murphy, Andrew Carrazzo
HF: Liam Jones, Levi Casboult, Tom Bell
F: Troy Menzel, Lachie Henderson, Dale Thomas
FOLL: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Chris Judd
I/C: Sam Docherty, Andrejs Everitt, Blaine Boekhorst, Dylan Buckley
Not picked: Robert Warnock, Dennis Armfield, Patrick Cripps, Jason Tutt, David Ellard, Simon White, Dillon Viojo-Rainbow

If Kreuzer can shoulder the ruckload and receive support from Casboult, the Blues can afford to play an extra midfielder. Boekhorst, who’s been forgiven for his famous Malthouse-bashing tweet, is capable of playing at AFL level straight away, after averaging 21 disposals per game in the WAFL last year. However Cripps could easily slot into the team with one AFL season now under his belt. With Jones joining the Blues’ forward line, it allows Walker to help out down back.

Thought that (TC's own) Kristian Jaksch deserved at least an honourable mention.

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