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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:44 am 
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Remember... It's a independent nomination committee.. That's not independent.. Lol
I wonder how they would qualify Pratt is he was alive. Obviously a man with questionable scruples.. But he'd be on the board of say..
Or would they allow two other Pratts on when though two Pratt's are superfluous.
You see... The criteria would be all over the shop depending on what ever they felt .. The goalposts would change and there would be no consistency in choosing. The club is a pitiful excuse for the word 'club'..
Glad to have brought this to your attention... I knew most of you would be asleep to the changes.
It's had some attention since and the club had had to go on the defensive...
Please stay awake...

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:17 am 
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Remember... It's a independent nomination committee.. That's not independent.. Lol
I wonder how they would qualify Pratt is he was alive. Obviously a man with questionable scruples.. But he'd be on the board of say..
Or would they allow two other Pratts on when though two Pratt's are superfluous.
You see... The criteria would be all over the shop depending on what ever they felt .. The goalposts would change and there would be no consistency in choosing. The club is a pitiful excuse for the word 'club'..
Glad to have brought this to your attention... I knew most of you would be asleep to the changes.
It's had some attention since and the club had had to go on the defensive...
Please stay awake...

Oh it's a 'club' allright... just a very exclusive 'club'


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:01 am 
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I remember the first AGM conducted by the carlton 1 board which replaced Eliotts Men (except for diesel and sticks) in 2002/3. Collo promised that an independent audit will take place of the clubs financial state.

And there it was written in the AGM report, an independent Financial Audit carried out by E & Y. And who was the financial accounting firm responsible for Carlton's books for at least 15 years prior to the audit? E & Y. That's an independent audit, by the same Company. I actually put my hand up and asked Collo "is this right, the same company who has been in charge of our books, is conducting the independent audit?"

Collo replied by saying he didn't hear the question, so I repeated it. He then made some brilliant murmurings which didn't answer the question. Then the big Fish stood up several rows back from where I was sitting and shouted "how can the same company who has been doing our financial records carry out an independent audit"? Silence from the board. Two young E&Y representatives were sitting in nice clothing a couple of seats from where I was sitting in the second row. :cool:

I have seen this before at our club. Presidents and boards sneak in changes to our constitution and new rules and controversial resolutions at strategic times. Usually after we win a flag or there is a new coach appointed or some turmoil at the club. Elliott increased the board size, in the late 1990s because he had plans of merging the blues with the Kangaroos (taking them over more like it). The increase in the maximum number of directors was never explained or debated at the AGM. The plan was to absorb 6 or 7 directors from the Kangaroos onto a big carlton merged board. This resolution was passed when Sticks, still playing, turned up at the AGM still in his track suit and Elliott made the comment "there is sticks, he reckons this resolution is a good idea, don't you sticks" and sticks just nodded, and everybody laughed. And when the vote was taken, almost every person put their hands up. Only about 300 attended that meeting in the Elliott stand meeting room.

This resolution however has emerged totally out of the blue. No need for it from a club or members point of view.

But obviously some small group of power players will benefit from it down the track when it's true intention is abused for all to see. And perhaps a candidate can take our club to the equal right commission or instigate a legal challenge to any imposed nomination requirements. (Like the club wanting the new director to come from the YCP or be an ex player with at least 300 games and over 6 feet tall, every other candidate not receiving official club (board) endorsement to run, and must run as rogue candidates. Outsiders. Freaks. Trouble makers. Useless clowns.....

This is who we are. It's how a lot of things get done in our so called comedic democratic system.

(I watched the way, Jeanie Pratt, and Packer and then Murdoch put their weight behind Andrews in the recent Victorian election. Andrews a member of the socialist left faction. :wink: )

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:52 am 
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It's so funny. Our club has been SO SO SO undemocratic for so long, that some people now accept slightly less non-democracy as an improvement.

Great, you prefer a shit sandwich with wholemeal bread because it's healthier than white bread. You fools - it's still a shit sandwich!!!!

Rubbish, I want transparency....this can only help it

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:52 pm 
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
It's so funny. Our club has been SO SO SO undemocratic for so long, that some people now accept slightly less non-democracy as an improvement.

Great, you prefer a shit sandwich with wholemeal bread because it's healthier than white bread. You fools - it's still a shit sandwich!!!!

Rubbish, I want transparency....this can only help it

How can this help it?? Unless you want opaque transparency.

If you want true transparency, then let anyone nominate for the board and stand for election.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:16 pm 
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Ridiculous shit.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:21 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
teagueyubeauty wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
It's so funny. Our club has been SO SO SO undemocratic for so long, that some people now accept slightly less non-democracy as an improvement.

Great, you prefer a shit sandwich with wholemeal bread because it's healthier than white bread. You fools - it's still a shit sandwich!!!!

Rubbish, I want transparency....this can only help it

How can this help it?? Unless you want opaque transparency.

If you want true transparency, then let anyone nominate for the board and stand for election.


there is no constitutional amendment to satisfy the nay sayers - they just want the status quo for self interest or cynical reasons and don't want to improve the Club..
the objection to the INS is a just a clever pure smokescreen for the major change being the Board is reduced down from 6 to 10 - hence the headline of this thread is about the INS and only the INS and not the Board size..


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:35 pm 
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What?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:44 pm 
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Let's get this straight. The constitutional changes are for one reason early... Just control of the board
Nothing to do with excellence....
Just tick off who they like to run and who they don't..

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:06 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
teagueyubeauty wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
It's so funny. Our club has been SO SO SO undemocratic for so long, that some people now accept slightly less non-democracy as an improvement.

Great, you prefer a shit sandwich with wholemeal bread because it's healthier than white bread. You fools - it's still a shit sandwich!!!!

Rubbish, I want transparency....this can only help it

How can this help it?? Unless you want opaque transparency.

If you want true transparency, then let anyone nominate for the board and stand for election.

There is nothing in amendment that says you have to be ok'd by this committee to run for a position on the board, your making that up. Anyone can and still will.

I see this committee as making the candidates skills completely transparent to everyone so we don't get 3 flower lawyers on the 1 board because they fulfill a power play. If there's one board member up for reelection and he's not a lawyer currently on the board but there are already 2 others who are lawyers if the candidate is a lawyer with nothing else then you make that transparent to the board and the voting public.

DOES NOT MEAN THE CANDIDATE CANT STILL RUN!!!!

I see it as a transparent way to fully understand the skill sets of those nominating and comparing against the skill sets already on the board. Every board would know the skill sets they need to close gaps, this committee does the background checks and recommends to the board if they are a candidate that helps to fill a gap!!!!

If the candidate doesn't fill the gap the board was hoping for and just adds the same skill sets already on the board then they're recommended to not be a candidate.

DOES NOT MEAN THE CANDIDATE CANT STILL RUN!!!!

It's what ALL boards do across corporate Australia.

But we'll keep it the way it is now because that's worked so wonderfully well for us

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:13 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Let's get this straight. The constitutional changes are for one reason early... Just control of the board
Nothing to do with excellence....
Just tick off who they like to run and who they don't..


Absolute misguided uninformed schlock. ..


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:46 pm 
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
teagueyubeauty wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
It's so funny. Our club has been SO SO SO undemocratic for so long, that some people now accept slightly less non-democracy as an improvement.

Great, you prefer a shit sandwich with wholemeal bread because it's healthier than white bread. You fools - it's still a shit sandwich!!!!

Rubbish, I want transparency....this can only help it

How can this help it?? Unless you want opaque transparency.

If you want true transparency, then let anyone nominate for the board and stand for election.



DOES NOT MEAN THE CANDIDATE CANT STILL RUN!!!!

DOES NOT MEAN THE CANDIDATE CANT STILL RUN!!!!

It's what ALL boards do across corporate Australia.
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But without the formal endorsement of the club. (Technically it's the non endorsement from the president who represents the board which is the power structure of the club)

In effect any candidate who runs outside the conditions stipulated by the presidential nominations committee, is a rogue challenger and is trying to displace the prsident. A coup of sorts. This is a rediculous situation.

If a non endorsed candidate manages to win a board position, and I was president overseeing this no,i nations committee I would step down from the presidency, or even resign from the board.

My main objection is the clause in 9.3 which enables the nomination committee to add requirements and qualifations for potential candidates to meet.

Any member who seriously believes this resolution is about transparency, accountability and democracy should get into politics. Perfect double speak and spinning.

I wonder if the YCP think tank has endorsed this resolution? Maybe it's their idea?

Perhaps They dream of an election down the track whereby the president via the "independent" nominations committee demands that all candidates running for positions in the board are YCP members.

DOES NOT MEAN THE CANDIDATE CANT STILL RUN - they would just be freak, rogue, trouble making coup spies trying to ruin the club from within

I bet the YCP votes as a unified block on this resolution.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:54 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Let's get this straight. The constitutional changes are for one reason early... Just control of the board
Nothing to do with excellence....
Just tick off who they like to run and who they don't..


Absolute misguided uninformed schlock. ..


What is the board afraid of?

Someone like a Synbad running for an election and gaining a seat on the board?

It would Certainly spice things up a bit WOULDNT it ladies and gentlemen.

You never know, Board meetings may actually deal with the deep rooted problems that have plagued the club for many seasons now, instead of looking for the next quick player or coach fix.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:06 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Let's get this straight. The constitutional changes are for one reason early... Just control of the board
Nothing to do with excellence....
Just tick off who they like to run and who they don't..


Absolute misguided uninformed schlock. ..

no its not....

unless u can prove otherwise?
just saying its "schlock" whatever the hell that means... more ambiguity from you.. dont mean its "schlock".. whatever the hell it is you wanna pretend youre saying

:lol:

actually .. everything you write about is "schlock" to its very essence... whatever "schlock" is..

youre talking malakies...!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:17 pm 
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mosquito now to prove your not a malaka...

please give us the crriteria on what the independent review will be assessing people exactly
aand how exactly its independent...

so on you go.. the stage is all yours....the spotlight is on you and the microphone is working.

make it clear and concise.. and give us references to where you received the perimeters of the committees assessment powers..

if you dont ill have to call you "schlock" and a "malaka"...


you know what that means right???...its a "wanker/moron"

now that were all clear get to work and explain

yu see i have set out the perimeters of this exercise clearly....

your turn...

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:lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:23 pm 
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i havent called him anything.....

giving him a way out to not be those things if hes not...

he said my comment is "schock" i dunno what that is.... but it doesnt sound nice......

i have thrown the ball in his corner to prove what i said is false and for him to not be a 'schlock malaka'

i think i have been more than reasonable........

he has opportunity... and opportunity is fairness....

so i await....... his defence.. before he wears the tag like a tattoo on his forehead...

giving him the benefit of the doubt...so far hes nothing......

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:45 am 
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This thread topic highlights one the most important issues at our club.

Symptomatic of how apathetic members are and really a direct correlation and reflection of the general voting public at election time.

And as the great Plato once said "we get exactly the leaders and politicians we deserve"

And it looks like we will also get the constitution and board we deserve.

( and as it so often happens, when this constitutional change is abused by incumbent presidents and boards in the future, I have no doubt that the members supporting it now, and those who are silent, will be the most outraged and vocal. Too late though.....we need to defeat this resolution when it is put up at the next AGM on the 18th December.)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:37 am 
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It's just a pity the current way our board members are "recruited" is so stuffed. It forces you to think the INC might not be such a bad idea.

And that sucks quite a lot.

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Imagine how good we'd be if non-members commenting on this issue were actually able to make a difference and vote on it.

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