Independent Nominations Committee - passed at AGM

mikkey · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:27 pm **Posts:** 4129

Key is to ensure members are aware of this and best way is media. I have contacted one Journo and recommend you guys send a link to any footy journo you know.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:39 pm

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/prat ... 1wmfc.html

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The Blues are to follow the lead set by other clubs and have the board appoint an independent nominations committee that would assess potential candidates for election. The committee will consist of the club president and two independent members.

cecil89 · **Joined:** Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:54 pm **Posts:** 2521

Who are the other clubs with similar committees?

carntheblues · **Joined:** Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:05 pm **Posts:** 2698

As long as the assessment criteria the nominations board uses to determine the suitability of candidates is published and the process transparent then I do not have an issue.

mikkey · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:27 pm **Posts:** 4129

camelboy wrote:

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/pratt-family-tips-in-13-million-for-the-blues-20141129-11wmfc.html

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The Blues are to follow the lead set by other clubs and have the board appoint an independent nominations committee that would assess potential candidates for election. The committee will consist of the club president and two independent members.

So without the Pratts we would be $3 M in the red. Jeeez.....

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:19 pm

camelboy wrote:

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/pratt-family-tips-in-13-million-for-the-blues-20141129-11wmfc.html

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The Blues are to follow the lead set by other clubs and have the board appoint an independent nominations committee that would assess potential candidates for election. The committee will consist of the club president and two independent members.

Who and what are the independent members?

Anyone from the club watching this and care to respond to the concerns Rexy is raising? I assume we have a few lurkers given the interaction with fans focus in the spiel we just released.

GWS · **Posted:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:32 pm

I think it's a valid move providing there are a set of prerequisites for joining the board that are open and transparent.

Maybe to qualify you'd have to be able to tick say seven of the following thirteen boxes:

1. Must be a millionaire, billionaire or hang out with same.
2. Must have a ridiculous haircut.
3. Must have a string of embarrassing recent articles in the tabloid media about you.
4. Must not give a flying @#$%&! about Carlton members or general supporters.
5. Must be able to recite platitudes about how we're turning it around.
6. Must be agreeable to sacking coaches well before their contracts are up in order to provide said sacked coaches with massive payouts.
7. Must be able to bring your own prostitute called Gabi.
8. Must be able to recognise a Marc Murphy high mark when you see it.
9. Must be keen to bring Brendan Fevola back to the club.
10. Must have your own young professional children.
11. Must be fairly bloody ordinary in your current job or business.
12. Must have inherited that job or business through family connections.
13. Must be able to sing badly and loudly at public functions.

Can't see how we could go too far wrong with criteria like that...

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:52 pm

14. Must be willing to sit back and tell people you're on the board of a football club and give very little return for that.

Maybe unfair, but seriously, a committee to nominate people to be eleigible to nominate to run for the board...

How desperate can you be to hold onto your spot?

If I still loved this club enough to be a member, I'd be outraged, would vote against it, and would vote for the next independent who runs for a spot on the board.

Remember the guy who ran, registered on TC, had a Q&A and couldn't really string a sentence together? I'd even vote him him now.

GWS · **Posted:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:53 pm

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Remember the guy who ran, registered on TC, had a Q&A and couldn't really string a sentence together? I'd even vote him him now.

Maxwell Grattan?

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:55 pm

Nah, it was someone after him I think.

edit: Michael Spartels is who I was thinking of.

Unfair to say he couldn't string a sentence together.

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Heavs · **Posted:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:15 pm

GWS wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Remember the guy who ran, registered on TC, had a Q&A and couldn't really string a sentence together? I'd even vote him him now.

Maxwell Grattan?

Old Max has made the move to Canberra now. To run ACT Basketball. Good times.

Cretylus · **Posted:** Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:26 am

Over the years i can only recall one or two resolutions put to carlton members regarding changes to the constitution which were sensible and benefitted ordinary members. One was the Collo back resolution in 2003 which meant that members DIDNT need to formally agree to things each year just to be able to vote. They just needed to do it once and then they could vote provided they renewed their membership each year. There was one other trivial resolution That removed some words used in 19th century.

Generally the resolutions put to the members don't serve their interests. This resolution is just another example of one.

It will be passed because as members we don't tend to vote, and when we do we vote like sheep, and so this behaviour favours the Elite at our club. The directors and elite interests make sure they get the numbers. I have seen resolutions passed wih just several hundred carlton members actually voting. And now you can vote online :wink:

The ordinary member has been pushed out a little further once again ladies and gentlemen.

I don't recognise my club anymore. On or off the field.

frank dardew · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm **Posts:** 7640

so called independents have worked for club for years and have vested interest in status quo - VOTE NO =

Cretylus · **Posted:** Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:53 am

1. Can't call the committee independent if you have the current president sitting on the committee. And two other carlton people from Eprnst and Young etc. you can call it a Presidential nominee filtering hurdle, but not an independent panel.

2. The big scam in this resolution is not the committee per se, , but rather the inclusion of a clause in 9.3 which allows for the committee to add any requirements it likes to the sort of nominations they want to apply.(from the to time. Lol)

So essentially, the board can say, we really need a director who is an ex player, over 6 foot, played at least 300 games and isn't a nuclear physicist.

That's where they can block whoever they want to run for board elections.

Currently you only need to be a paid up ordinary member for at least 2 years, and not have any serving bans under the corporate act (like being banned from directorships for a fixed period) or criminal issues.

Vote this resolution through and the boys and girls club at carlton will be formalized in writing via the constitution. (requires 75% of the members to vote in favour, so get online or attend the AGM on the 18th of December. Keep the current constitutional structure as it is)

camel · **Posted:** Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:54 am

With any luck the club will have a crack at selling this to the members soon.

It may very well be okay, but based on recent board movements (or lack thereof) it's hardly surprising there's discontent here.

camel · **Posted:** Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:20 pm

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-1 ... -president

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What is the Independent Nominations Committee?

The Independent Nominations Committee (INC) consists of three members. Two are independent members with expertise in corporate governance including long-time returning officer Andrew Mansour and John Davies, as well as the President of the football club.

Andrew has been the returning officer for the Club for 23 years and is a partner at the law firm K&L Gates with recognized expertise in corporate governance practice.

John is a former audit partner of Ernst and Young and has been a member of numerous governance committees including Chairman of the Audit & Risk Committee at Cricket Australia, member of the Audit Committee at Golf Australia, and has completed governance reviews of various Australian sports on behalf of the Australian Sports Commission.

Why does the Club need an Independent Nominations Committee?

The purpose of the INC is to make sure we are getting diversity and an appropriate range of skills onto the Board of the Carlton Football Club. We want Board members who are passionate, highly skilled, and who have adequate time to actively contribute to our Club’s future.

As President, it is my duty to ensure we deliver the right governance and procedures for our members, while also ensuring we have a succession plan in place for the future.

(Follow link above for more)

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Registered members can vote on the proposed constitutional changes on the website here - http://goo.gl/5oMOjA - by using your membership number and postcode.

Online voting closes at 6pm on Tuesday 16 December.

The AGM is returning to our home at Visy Park this year and will be held on Thursday 18 December. I look forward to seeing you there.

jimmae · **Posted:** Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:27 pm

Well that covers it pretty well. As with anything, it's all about how we execute it. As far as I'm concerned it's a layer of professionalism added on to account for the incumbents as much as any challengers.

camel · **Posted:** Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:30 pm

Who appoints the two other members of the INC if/when a vacancy arises?

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

Nice try....

It's taking away (from members) ultimate accountability of who's on the board and giving it to.... the board.

Who cares if other clubs are doing it.... doesn't make it right.

jimmae · **Posted:** Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:44 pm

Well that's where self-governance comes back into it. In the end you can cry out for an objective process but as soon as you have people deciding for other people you're invariably slipping into something more subjective.

If people can't trust other people under any circumstances, then what's the point? The trick is to ensure that these people can provide and will continue to provide an outsider's perspective while applying solid business skills and industry knowledge, then the president is there to ensure the process is timely and continues in a direction that benefits the club.

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