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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:47 am 
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Sorry bondi this will be a quick reply

I hope GWS succeed. From a person heavily involved in afl in western Sydney I wish them the best and would love to think they would assist us in developing the game. Unfortunately they are a joke in my eyes. My club is the oldest club in their real demographic, we were established in 1947 yet they have no idea we exist or shout I say choose to ignore us.

From a growth point of view the junior competition is western sydney is in a diabolical state. Those in charge of growing the game are happy to tick ok auskick kpis as proof there doing a great job. Presently in 2014 there were only 14 teams in the under 19 comp in syd afl acros 2 divs. in 2015 20 teams have nominated which suggests great growth. Wrong. Three of those teams are additional teams ie what I mean is the club will have div 1 n div 2 teams. Should th be admitted you will see up to 6 maybe 7 existing 19s disappear. Growth is great but not at the expense of the existing clubs. Oh by the way one team is one that previously existed another is a rep team from the Illawarra and the other is an afl initiative club lol

The worst thing GWS have done in my eyes other than ignore the clubs in western syd is to form an alliance with manly Warringah. Wtf could the possibly pick a less western sydney club. Mind you the are known as fibros by the seaside lol.

24 years of involvement in western sydney afl I believe gives me a pretty good understanding of the game and its issues in this region. To add to that being involved in a club that nearly died at the end of 2006 that only had 30 registered players in 2007 while we saved the club to over 200 senior players plus 40 women's members in 2014 should suggest I know n understand my market.


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 Post subject: Re: Bring back SOS?
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MarkNo3 wrote:
Sorry bondi this will be a quick reply

I hope GWS succeed. From a person heavily involved in afl in western Sydney I wish them the best and would love to think they would assist us in developing the game. Unfortunately they are a joke in my eyes. My club is the oldest club in their real demographic, we were established in 1947 yet they have no idea we exist or shout I say choose to ignore us.

From a growth point of view the junior competition is western sydney is in a diabolical state. Those in charge of growing the game are happy to tick ok auskick kpis as proof there doing a great job. Presently in 2014 there were only 14 teams in the under 19 comp in syd afl acros 2 divs. in 2015 20 teams have nominated which suggests great growth. Wrong. Three of those teams are additional teams ie what I mean is the club will have div 1 n div 2 teams. Should th be admitted you will see up to 6 maybe 7 existing 19s disappear. Growth is great but not at the expense of the existing clubs. Oh by the way one team is one that previously existed another is a rep team from the Illawarra and the other is an afl initiative club lol

The worst thing GWS have done in my eyes other than ignore the clubs in western syd is to form an alliance with manly Warringah. Wtf could the possibly pick a less western sydney club. Mind you the are known as fibros by the seaside lol.

24 years of involvement in western sydney afl I believe gives me a pretty good understanding of the game and its issues in this region. To add to that being involved in a club that nearly died at the end of 2006 that only had 30 registered players in 2007 while we saved the club to over 200 senior players plus 40 women's members in 2014 should suggest I know n understand my market.

Great post from someone at the coalface but GWS is still doomed to be a bottomless pit. I haven't lived in Western Sydney for a good many years but the rising demographic is mainly Islanders/Maoris Asians and Middle Easterners. None of those groups is AFL -oriented. They are the ones the AFL thinks will be the backbone of the supporter base. It's different from the Gold Coast hinterland where the demographic has more of your affluent anglo-immigrant from the south of the country with an AFL or union background and their kids are registering with AFL teams because that's what's available.

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 Post subject: Re: Bring back SOS?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:20 am 
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MarkNo3 wrote:
Sorry bondi this will be a quick reply

I hope GWS succeed. From a person heavily involved in afl in western Sydney I wish them the best and would love to think they would assist us in developing the game. Unfortunately they are a joke in my eyes. My club is the oldest club in their real demographic, we were established in 1947 yet they have no idea we exist or shout I say choose to ignore us.

From a growth point of view the junior competition is western sydney is in a diabolical state. Those in charge of growing the game are happy to tick ok auskick kpis as proof there doing a great job. Presently in 2014 there were only 14 teams in the under 19 comp in syd afl acros 2 divs. in 2015 20 teams have nominated which suggests great growth. Wrong. Three of those teams are additional teams ie what I mean is the club will have div 1 n div 2 teams. Should th be admitted you will see up to 6 maybe 7 existing 19s disappear. Growth is great but not at the expense of the existing clubs. Oh by the way one team is one that previously existed another is a rep team from the Illawarra and the other is an afl initiative club lol

The worst thing GWS have done in my eyes other than ignore the clubs in western syd is to form an alliance with manly Warringah. Wtf could the possibly pick a less western sydney club. Mind you the are known as fibros by the seaside lol.

24 years of involvement in western sydney afl I believe gives me a pretty good understanding of the game and its issues in this region. To add to that being involved in a club that nearly died at the end of 2006 that only had 30 registered players in 2007 while we saved the club to over 200 senior players plus 40 women's members in 2014 should suggest I know n understand my market.

Great post from someone at the coalface but GWS is still doomed to be a bottomless pit. I haven't lived in Western Sydney for a good many years but the rising demographic is mainly Islanders/Maoris Asians and Middle Easterners. None of those groups is AFL -oriented. They are the ones the AFL thinks will be the backbone of the supporter base. It's different from the Gold Coast hinterland where the demographic has more of your affluent anglo-immigrant from the south of the country with an AFL or union background and their kids are registering with AFL teams because that's what's available.

To follow your logic through, Aussie rules is doomed long term nationally if we are to rely on your 'affluent Anglo immigrants' :screwy:


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 Post subject: Re: Bring back SOS?
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What about the others?


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 Post subject: Re: Bring back SOS?
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The historic significance of Stephen Silvagni's imminent return to the Carlton Football Club should not be underestimated. Nor should the political devastation to Carlton and personal pain to SOS himself inflicted as a result of the salary cap scandal that decimated the Blues.

Silvagni is expected to be installed at the club he served as a player for 312 games by Christmas, or certainly before the start of next season. He will take over the list management role that has not exactly been a jewel in the Blues' crown for many years. Far from it.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/s ... 1rb9w.html

(The Blues were also fined $930,000 for the salary cap cheating involving both players along with Stephen O'Reilly and Fraser Brown. It remains amazing that the Blues' salary cap penalties were significantly harsher than those more recently handed to Essendon*** for the Bombers' cavalier handling of their players' welfare with potentially harmful and illegal drugs.)


Only Carlton Cheats.


I'm all for sinking the boots into Essendon*, but they were fined $2m, their coach was suspended for a year and they were handed draft penalties as well. True, their draft penalties weren't as harsh as ours, but to say our penalties were "significantly harsher" is a little disingeneous, I think.

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 Post subject: Re: Bring back SOS?
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camelboy wrote:
bluebo baggers wrote:
Effes wrote:
The historic significance of Stephen Silvagni's imminent return to the Carlton Football Club should not be underestimated. Nor should the political devastation to Carlton and personal pain to SOS himself inflicted as a result of the salary cap scandal that decimated the Blues.

Silvagni is expected to be installed at the club he served as a player for 312 games by Christmas, or certainly before the start of next season. He will take over the list management role that has not exactly been a jewel in the Blues' crown for many years. Far from it.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/s ... 1rb9w.html

(The Blues were also fined $930,000 for the salary cap cheating involving both players along with Stephen O'Reilly and Fraser Brown. It remains amazing that the Blues' salary cap penalties were significantly harsher than those more recently handed to Essendon**** for the Bombers' cavalier handling of their players' welfare with potentially harmful and illegal drugs.)


Only Carlton Cheats.


I'm all for sinking the boots into Essendon**, but they were fined $2m, their coach was suspended for a year and they were handed draft penalties as well. True, their draft penalties weren't as harsh as ours, but to say our penalties were "significantly harsher" is a little disingeneous, I think.



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 Post subject: Re: Bring back SOS?
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Dirty filthy cheating &%£#s.......!


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 Post subject: Re: Bring back SOS?
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Dirty filthy cheating &%£#s.......!


kindest regards tommi



The s says so much. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Bring back SOS?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:28 am 
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SOS coming back to the club in a list manager role, with 3 boys under consideration for F/S selection and careers ahead of then has disaster written all over it.

There are so many was this can go bad.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:24 am 
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SOS coming back to the club in a list manager role, with 3 boys under consideration for F/S selection and careers ahead of then has disaster written all over it.

There are so many was this can go bad.

Yes it will be a bit like Collo taking no part in the move fron PP to Shittihad

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 Post subject: Re: Bring back SOS?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:38 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
SOS coming back to the club in a list manager role, with 3 boys under consideration for F/S selection and careers ahead of then has disaster written all over it.

There are so many was this can go bad.

Article says SOS will not be involved in the decision of whether we recruit the boys or not.

Whether that actually eventuates is another story.


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 Post subject: Re: Bring back SOS?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:39 am 
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camelboy wrote:
bluebo baggers wrote:
Effes wrote:
The historic significance of Stephen Silvagni's imminent return to the Carlton Football Club should not be underestimated. Nor should the political devastation to Carlton and personal pain to SOS himself inflicted as a result of the salary cap scandal that decimated the Blues.

Silvagni is expected to be installed at the club he served as a player for 312 games by Christmas, or certainly before the start of next season. He will take over the list management role that has not exactly been a jewel in the Blues' crown for many years. Far from it.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/s ... 1rb9w.html

(The Blues were also fined $930,000 for the salary cap cheating involving both players along with Stephen O'Reilly and Fraser Brown. It remains amazing that the Blues' salary cap penalties were significantly harsher than those more recently handed to Essendon**** for the Bombers' cavalier handling of their players' welfare with potentially harmful and illegal drugs.)


Only Carlton Cheats.


I'm all for sinking the boots into Essendon**, but they were fined $2m, their coach was suspended for a year and they were handed draft penalties as well. True, their draft penalties weren't as harsh as ours, but to say our penalties were "significantly harsher" is a little disingeneous, I think.


Adelaide's draft penalties were harsher than Essendon*'s. Essendon* were handed pick 20 in this draft & were allowed to trade back in.


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 Post subject: Re: Bring back SOS?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:15 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
MarkNo3 wrote:
Sorry bondi this will be a quick reply

I hope GWS succeed. From a person heavily involved in afl in western Sydney I wish them the best and would love to think they would assist us in developing the game. Unfortunately they are a joke in my eyes. My club is the oldest club in their real demographic, we were established in 1947 yet they have no idea we exist or shout I say choose to ignore us.

From a growth point of view the junior competition is western sydney is in a diabolical state. Those in charge of growing the game are happy to tick ok auskick kpis as proof there doing a great job. Presently in 2014 there were only 14 teams in the under 19 comp in syd afl acros 2 divs. in 2015 20 teams have nominated which suggests great growth. Wrong. Three of those teams are additional teams ie what I mean is the club will have div 1 n div 2 teams. Should th be admitted you will see up to 6 maybe 7 existing 19s disappear. Growth is great but not at the expense of the existing clubs. Oh by the way one team is one that previously existed another is a rep team from the Illawarra and the other is an afl initiative club lol

The worst thing GWS have done in my eyes other than ignore the clubs in western syd is to form an alliance with manly Warringah. Wtf could the possibly pick a less western sydney club. Mind you the are known as fibros by the seaside lol.

24 years of involvement in western sydney afl I believe gives me a pretty good understanding of the game and its issues in this region. To add to that being involved in a club that nearly died at the end of 2006 that only had 30 registered players in 2007 while we saved the club to over 200 senior players plus 40 women's members in 2014 should suggest I know n understand my market.

Great post from someone at the coalface but GWS is still doomed to be a bottomless pit. I haven't lived in Western Sydney for a good many years but the rising demographic is mainly Islanders/Maoris Asians and Middle Easterners. None of those groups is AFL -oriented. They are the ones the AFL thinks will be the backbone of the supporter base. It's different from the Gold Coast hinterland where the demographic has more of your affluent anglo-immigrant from the south of the country with an AFL or union background and their kids are registering with AFL teams because that's what's available.

To follow your logic through, Aussie rules is doomed long term nationally if we are to rely on your 'affluent Anglo immigrants' :screwy:


Actually GWS shouldn't be doomed. My club is made up of a real melting pot of people from diverse backgrounds. We have Asians Muslims etc. When I say Asians I mean Chinese, Vietnamese, Malaysians and Loation's, the muslims are Turks, Lebanese and African just of the top of my head. You can then add Greeks, Italians, Macedonians, Maltese, Armenian, Croations, Russians, Poles, Irish, Poms as well as your regular Koories and Anglo Aussies. Again that's just off the top of my head. Sorry the other thing I forgot was your Islanders, Maoris, Kiwis (white) Samoans. Again Just of the top of my head.

Actually GWS are doomed, those idiots think diversity is throwing the name behind a ladies team where they are predominately from Middle eastern Muslim backgrounds.. I have no problem with the Auburn ladies and to be honest they are a great bunch of girls but I cant for the life of me think why GWS continue to ignore our club (mind you the don't ignore our major partner who has 130000 members and 500,000,000 in assets).


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 Post subject: Re: Bring back SOS?
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emtwenty wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
SOS coming back to the club in a list manager role, with 3 boys under consideration for F/S selection and careers ahead of then has disaster written all over it.

There are so many was this can go bad.

Article says SOS will not be involved in the decision of whether we recruit the boys or not.

Whether that actually eventuates is another story.


Its not just whether he's involved in the decision.

You'd like to think the decision to recruit them should be the easy bit.

There are many ways it can go bad.

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 Post subject: Re: Bring back SOS?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:11 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
SOS coming back to the club in a list manager role, with 3 boys under consideration for F/S selection and careers ahead of then has disaster written all over it.

There are so many was this can go bad.

Article says SOS will not be involved in the decision of whether we recruit the boys or not.

Whether that actually eventuates is another story.


Overreaction? I think so. Serge had the same issue when SOS was first picked up, and when he was dropped for the 86 GF. We all saw what happened to SOS after that - 2 premierships later, several all Australians later, full back of the century later, et al.

On a separate note, let's just hope we have left no stone unturned in our quest for a list manager!!!

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TruBlueBrad wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
SOS coming back to the club in a list manager role, with 3 boys under consideration for F/S selection and careers ahead of then has disaster written all over it.

There are so many was this can go bad.

Article says SOS will not be involved in the decision of whether we recruit the boys or not.

Whether that actually eventuates is another story.


Its not just whether he's involved in the decision.

You'd like to think the decision to recruit them should be the easy bit.

There are many ways it can go bad.


If they are talented they will be selected with or without SOS.

The other clubs dictate there worth.

Ongoing SOS and the rest of the list committee decide there future as they develop. SOS can choose to have 1 vote, or leave it to others.


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It's more the fallout when people disagree.

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Agree with brad... it ends badly in most cases


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That can happen with or without SOS. Just look at that other recruiter we had.


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london blue wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
MarkNo3 wrote:
Sorry bondi this will be a quick reply

I hope GWS succeed. From a person heavily involved in afl in western Sydney I wish them the best and would love to think they would assist us in developing the game. Unfortunately they are a joke in my eyes. My club is the oldest club in their real demographic, we were established in 1947 yet they have no idea we exist or shout I say choose to ignore us.

From a growth point of view the junior competition is western sydney is in a diabolical state. Those in charge of growing the game are happy to tick ok auskick kpis as proof there doing a great job. Presently in 2014 there were only 14 teams in the under 19 comp in syd afl acros 2 divs. in 2015 20 teams have nominated which suggests great growth. Wrong. Three of those teams are additional teams ie what I mean is the club will have div 1 n div 2 teams. Should th be admitted you will see up to 6 maybe 7 existing 19s disappear. Growth is great but not at the expense of the existing clubs. Oh by the way one team is one that previously existed another is a rep team from the Illawarra and the other is an afl initiative club lol

The worst thing GWS have done in my eyes other than ignore the clubs in western syd is to form an alliance with manly Warringah. Wtf could the possibly pick a less western sydney club. Mind you the are known as fibros by the seaside lol.

24 years of involvement in western sydney afl I believe gives me a pretty good understanding of the game and its issues in this region. To add to that being involved in a club that nearly died at the end of 2006 that only had 30 registered players in 2007 while we saved the club to over 200 senior players plus 40 women's members in 2014 should suggest I know n understand my market.

Great post from someone at the coalface but GWS is still doomed to be a bottomless pit. I haven't lived in Western Sydney for a good many years but the rising demographic is mainly Islanders/Maoris Asians and Middle Easterners. None of those groups is AFL -oriented. They are the ones the AFL thinks will be the backbone of the supporter base. It's different from the Gold Coast hinterland where the demographic has more of your affluent anglo-immigrant from the south of the country with an AFL or union background and their kids are registering with AFL teams because that's what's available.

To follow your logic through, Aussie rules is doomed long term nationally if we are to rely on your 'affluent Anglo immigrants' :screwy:

You can't extrapolate my post to what you said. I didn't go anywhere near that.
The demographics of both regions are a given.
The two regions are start-up franchises looking for a supporter base.
How are the Wanderers going for supporters compared to the Giants? And success on field as well although that's a secondary issue.
The Suns have an area that has more traditional AFL/Union supporters moving there. They are largely affluent anglos. That''s a fact. I can't change that and neither can you regardless of how many smiley faces you post.

How do you get from the demographics of two corners of Australia to your post? I have no idea.
We all know the future of AFL is with the European and African Australians with the occasional Asian or Middle Eastern Australian player. And a Canadian.

Nobody is shying away from that.

Next time you go to the footy, regardless of what game it is, have a look at who is in the stands. There's your window to the GWS situation.

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