I'd debate that.
They can complain as much as they like.
The size of your list (listed vets or non listed vets) determines how many rookies you can have.

No rookies can play without elevation to the senior list.

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Your points are football fact but you haven't talked about a nominated rookie. Look it up, i'm too busy writing a paper.

Where you don't have the full list of vets you can have a nominated rookie who can play for the seniors without promotion. Perhaps its where you have 37 on your list, or 38 + 1 veteran, but other clubs have done it in 2005.

I think the kangaroos did it with Perkins this year?

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http://afc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&s ... eid=235188

Read all about it! Cats have a nominated rookie for the year.

Seems to have something to do with 1 veteran, Kouta-style. Perhaps there are other rules but other clubs use this rule. Does anyone know if we're in a position to do it?

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AFAIK the only precedent was Aaron Davey in 2004 and he was elevated to the senior list to play.

I've never heard of a "nominated" rookie.
Only elevated rookies.

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yeah... not sure about this "nominated rookie" business... but I think you'll find, Athorn, that there are 2 kinds of Veterans. One that is INSIDE the list of 38, and another that is OUTSIDE the list. Kouta's been INSIDE for a season (or 2??) now. Not sure what the major differences are.... only that if you have an OUTSIDE the list veteran you have 1 less rookie (????).

Nope, we still need to cut someone else, or shift Kouta to get 1,4,20,36,PSD1... and seeings we have 3 rookies retained.. that leaves only 3 rookies to be added.

Only 8 players added to the worst list in ages. And, thats ASSUMING we chop someone else, like Lappin (hope not). If not, and we "move Kouta", then we only add 7 players to the squad.

Pagan.. you've done it again!

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"Geelong has retained rookie Nick Batchelor on its list, but it has elected to elevate him to 'nominated rookie' status, which will make him available for senior selection regardless of other senior-listed players being injured or delisted during 2006.

His status has come about as Geelong will have just one veteran - Peter Riccardi - on its list for 2006, as Brenton Sanderson, also a veteran listed player in 2005, has now retired. "


Appears the same scenario as Aaron Davey.
He is nominated as the rookie who can come in without an LTI.
AFAIK, He'd still need to be elevated to the senior list to play.

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Aaron Davey was a nominated rookie which means he didn't have to wait for an injury to be elevated.

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True Wojee.
Thats the point I'm making but not very well.
AFAIK, he is the nominated player to not require an LTI to get promoted.
He still needs to be elevated to play, he cannot play as a rookie as the article infers.
That is my opinion only and perhaps I am incorrect.

The Davey situation was a farce.
Carlton could not elevate a player at the time although we only had 37 on our list.

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I remember reading some 1/2 arsed reason as to why we couldn't, something to do with tying the rookie list to the veteran list or similar.

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So the answer is....

No one.

Yet.

So if Campo goes we get another rookie choice only? And if Lappin goes we get a late draft choice or rookie. Sort of puts their potential departures into perspective.

ps BlueVain - I now know what you were saying, thanks for that. I think you're right - i think we both were. But i guess the articles do use the phrase 'nominated rookie', someone who doesn't need an LTI.

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Why are we wasting a vet's list spot on Cancereale?

Offer Matty Lappin more dosh for 2 years and a spot on the vets list and tell Campo to get bent, I say!

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He doesnt qualify.

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Lappin hasn't been with us 10 years to qualify for the vets list

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Lappin probably doesn't qualify for the Vet's list.

Probably left Campo on the Vets list to piss him off as it won't allow him to train with Ess. next week

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How the rookie list works
10:54:49 AM Tue 24 February, 2004
Matt Burgan
afl.com.au
Each club may maintain a rookie list of up to six players or a club which is based in the Sydney and Brisbane metropolitan area may maintain a maximum of nine players on its rookie list.

- Where a club includes a player on its rookie list, it may:
- in the case of an international player, enter into a contract of service for a minimum of two seasons; or
- in the case of any other player, enter into a contract of service for a minimum of one season


Minimum Age – A player must have attained the age of 18 years or will attain the age of 18 years on or before December 31.

Maximum Age – A player must be under the age of 23 years on December 31. If a player attains the age of 23 years after this date, a club may retain him on its rookie list until the end of the season.

- If a club includes an international player on its rookie list, the player may be 24 years old for the final year of his contract of service.

- A rookie player shall not be bound to a club if he is listed on a club’s rookie list but the parties do not enter into a contract of service.

- A club may retain a maximum of three players on its rookie list for a second season provided it nominates such players at the time of the compulsory list lodgment.

- An eligible club with 38 players on its primary list that has listed fewer than two veterans is entitled to nominate up to two players from its rookie list as being available for selection during the home and away and finals series.

- All payments made by a club to a player listed on its rookie list are excluded as football payments for the purpose of calculating a club’s Total Player Payments (TPP).

- If a club includes a player on its rookie list, the clubs will relocate the player and pay or reimburse all reasonable relocation costs of the player.

- A player listed on the rookie list may compete for a club competing in the competition conducted by the relevant state body or which it is affiliated or connected.

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http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg= ... eid=235666



Campo is still on that list so should alow one more selection (unless he is re-signed). As is Lappin.



Still 2 more opportunities to delist more players!

BUT if Campo moves on as expected it WILL NOT be a senior list selction, but a rookie list selection. Without Campo as a vet, our allowable senior list players goes to 39 (one less than now).... meaning that the extra rookie spot opens up.

If Lappin moves on, it is different as he is a listed non-veteran. He moves and we have a selection in the national draft.

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with this press release from the club at least we can confirm the club knows it's situation better than some who love a 'lynching' - 5 picks at least and possible further de-lists to come.

well done CFC and Denis Pagan.

Don't care how many picks we get - just make sure Campo's gawn!