Interested to get a gauge on where people see us in the next 1, 3, 5+ years - how do we start going about things? What is it going to take to get us where we all want to be - celebrating number 17!?!?

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- Drew Morphett, after 1999 prelim final

..Peds..

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If we can build a strong on field leadership group, ruthless, must win, stuff, then things will turn around. if we don;t we'll keep chasing those magicial tails, tossing drafts picks into the breeze of futility.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I feel as though I should quote Donald Rumsfeld here...

"...because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know."

Here are some known knowns. The club can control these things.

1. Culture

We seem to be improving - albeit slowly. But the playing list probably need to take a leaf out of Hawthorn's playing list and follow it to the enth degree. Here's Luke Hodge explaining this last year.

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2. List management Planning

The club needs to have planning strategies for the next few years - and scenarios at the ready based on new changes that directly affect list management. Starting in 2015, the TPP banking mechanism now allows clubs to spend over 100% of the TPP and ASA limits (combined limit). We should plan for this...starting now.

As an example - if Carlton was $500k below the combined limit in 2015, they can spend up to $500k over the combined limits (TPP & ASA) across 2016 and 2017.

The Veterans list is abolished from 2017. We currently save $118k per player on Walker, Waite, Carrazzo and Simpson. Marc Murphy is added to that list in 2015 as a 10-year player. We save $118k on Bryce Gibbs' salary in 2016 before the phase-out.

So let's presume Waite stays... - in 2015 we save $590,000. In 2016 we're presuming Carrazzo goes so it'll be the same with Gibbs added and Waite retained. That's $1.18 million. Without Waite in the equation it's still a $944,000.

With an increase in the salary cap ( $10.07 million in 2015 and $10.37 million in 2016) - coupled with the aforementioned veterans salary excluded from the club’s total player payments - shouldn't Carlton be in the position to a) fill a positional need with the signing of a free agent AND b) save enough in TPP spend so that across 2016 and 2017 they are in a position to legally spend above the required TPP and ASA payments.

Culture & Planning. It's what Hawthorn have done better than anyone else. So there's lots of unknowns - but there's a lot the club can control as well. Get these two things right and they're well on their way.

Article in one of the papers yesterday....Newbold I think saying how proud he is of the planning they do at Hawthorn...said they have an idea of how their list will evolve and look out to 2019.

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5 year plan
They're easy, we are about ten years through our last one. How's our "Blueprint for Success" going. We need a plan, not a few slogans and no substance. The main slogan should be "there is no quick fix".

Strategy
If you are paying huge money to 26+ free agents, you think the flag window is close. Ours isn't, so what is our recruiting strategy? Take anyone who is discarded for another club or wants more money.

Culture
We need one

Talent
Top end talent comes via the draft. For all of the Hawks topping up, their success as a club over the last 6 years has come via the draft with Hodge, Micthell, Lewis, Franklin and Roughead. Then having won a flag in 08 they could add to the core with Gibson, Lake Burgoyne and then bring in adequate soldiers who were products of strong culture and could do a job. Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell and Roughead were the keys to this 2014 flag. The time to top up with players 26+ is when you are close enough to a flag for those players to be the difference. We are nowhere near it.
If we rely on other clubs discards, or waning talent that comes at premium price, we are going nowhere

Leadership
Hodge and Lewis, we have no-one anywhere near these two as leaders. When we were a great club we were spoiled for leaders, now the captaincy is by default.

Player Development
What's that?

Supporter engagement
What are supporters? We are Carlton #$%& the supporters, who needs them.

Coaching Group
No messiahs, but a well managed, motivated, innovative, modern cohesive group

Board
Less relatives of billionaires and more people that have an understanding of the club and the way good clubs succeed in footy in the thrid millenium

great post.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Actually if anyone wants a good laugh check out our last 5 year plan promising 2 flags by 2015. I think we will struggle to achive that one. http://www.carltonfc.com.au/staticfile/ ... eprint.pdf

Danny should the club be desperate to keep Waite?

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+1

I'm not sure if the problem at Carlton is that there isn't a plan or a culture that they want, but more likely that the players and committee haven't bought into it heart and soul.

Hawthorn obviously have.

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So hard to earn, so easily burned
In the fullness of time
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#DopeThenStash

Thanks Doc - some maxims our club would do very well to adopt. The big question is - Does Carlton Football Club have the strength and will to do this?

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

It's the $1.2million (grand final prizemoney) plus associated benefits question.

I think they can. What they have to do to achieve it is known. A known known. I do worry about the known unknowns...bu that's for another post.

and if this is changing, we may at last have reason to hope.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

No. Not a leader.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Hawthorn began to build a great culture the day they flicked Spida Everitt. Remember him? He was taking Luke Hodge down with him at the time.

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17 4 10

Hang on ... with the Super Duper coach its a 10 year plan.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Macca on SEN to discuss Waite leaving and discussed our general strategy - we are building from the bottom up. there will be no more quick fixes with only short term benefit.

Didnt Collo say that in 2003?

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It's simple for me - though I know it won't happen - We need to be aiming for 10 picks inside the top 30 over the next 3 drafts! Whether that is 2014: 3 , 2015: 5, 2016: 2 or 4,3,3 - the breakdown is less important - i just want to see 10 quality first class kids come in and lets develop not just bloody poach everyone!

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Carlton. Yes, Carlton are into the grand final!!!
- Drew Morphett, after 1999 prelim final