Carrazzo below par but competitive.

Not sure how to judge yesterday. The pressure from GC was non existent. It was as bad as I have seen in a long long while. They are simply mentally gone from this season. The body language was poor and there was no talk or leadership. I looked around and there was no one who was going to step up for them and make a stand. In some way it's understandable. They are an incredibly young side and if we were talking about them as individuals we would say fair enough and time for a break. Watch out next year and more likely the year after. So much talent on that list it's scary.

As for us we came out with intent and never look troubled. Our structures are very good and we are really starting to play a finals type style of football. It is disciplined and team oriented.

The key now is to add some talent to the side. Our list is average and needs A level players. Judd was very good early and it was typical Simpson. We now kids top kids coming through.

The positives. Bell was very good and kicked goals. Hopefully will take confidence.

Another step forward from Graham. Will never be a Judd type but works incredibly hard and importantly is clean with the ball and creates. Does a lot that goes unnoticed. Defensively very good as well. Glad he got some game time.

If Yarran has a calf injury put him on ice. The worst thing he can do is come back and re injure. He has had a break out year and needs another full pre season. Harbrow went to him but when he got injured went back to HB. Found it strange as Thomas was then allowed to run around in defensive 50 by himself. Not once did anyone go to him. Simpson almost the same.

It must be tempting to end Docherty's season. He looks fatigued like the GC players. A rest and then a big pre season will do him wonders.

Casboult was very disappointing. Needs consistency and is a good 2nd ruck, third forward, nothing else. Liked Whites game up forward and back. Very mobile and tough.

Credit to Sheehan. Much better than games I have seen of him at VFL level. Just did things the right way. Nice kick as well which we need.

The negative for me is Menzel. He was poor and all he wanted to do was the flashy stuff. I watched him closely and he doesn't work hard enough. We know he is talented but in his second year and for one rated so highly I would of expected more. It worries me we keep picking up players that are more 'hightlight reels" than consistent 4 quarter contributors. He just doesn't do the basics well. He needs to put in a lot or work in the off season.

The other is McLean, I forget how slow he is until I see him live. It's embarrassing, can we afford to keep him?

The negative for me is Menzel. He was poor and all he wanted to do was the flashy stuff. I watched him closely and he doesn't work hard enough. We know he is talented but in his second year and for one rated so highly I would of expected more. It worries me we keep picking up players that are more 'hightlight reels" than consistent 4 quarter contributors. He just doesn't do the basics well. He needs to put in a lot or work in the off season.

PLAYERS are openly admitting the penny has dropped on whats required ....

Carrazzo a half a million dollar tagger....

I'm just saying dont get too excited about a good half against the gold coast.

Not sure how to judge yesterday. The pressure from GC was non existent. It was as bad as I have seen in a long long while. They are simply mentally gone from this season. The body language was poor and there was no talk or leadership. I looked around and there was no one who was going to step up for them and make a stand. In some way it's understandable. They are an incredibly young side and if we were talking about them as individuals we would say fair enough and time for a break. Watch out next year and more likely the year after. So much talent on that list it's scary.

As for us we came out with intent and never look troubled. Our structures are very good and we are really starting to play a finals type style of football. It is disciplined and team oriented.

The key now is to add some talent to the side. Our list is average and needs A level players. Judd was very good early and it was typical Simpson. We now kids top kids coming through.

The positives. Bell was very good and kicked goals. Hopefully will take confidence.

Another step forward from Graham. Will never be a Judd type but works incredibly hard and importantly is clean with the ball and creates. Does a lot that goes unnoticed. Defensively very good as well. Glad he got some game time.

If Yarran has a calf injury put him on ice. The worst thing he can do is come back and re injure. He has had a break out year and needs another full pre season. Harbrow went to him but when he got injured went back to HB. Found it strange as Thomas was then allowed to run around in defensive 50 by himself. Not once did anyone go to him. Simpson almost the same.

It must be tempting to end Docherty's season. He looks fatigued like the GC players. A rest and then a big pre season will do him wonders.

Casboult was very disappointing. Needs consistency and is a good 2nd ruck, third forward, nothing else. Liked Whites game up forward and back. Very mobile and tough.

Credit to Sheehan. Much better than games I have seen of him at VFL level. Just did things the right way. Nice kick as well which we need.

The negative for me is Menzel. He was poor and all he wanted to do was the flashy stuff. I watched him closely and he doesn't work hard enough. We know he is talented but in his second year and for one rated so highly I would of expected more. It worries me we keep picking up players that are more 'hightlight reels" than consistent 4 quarter contributors. He just doesn't do the basics well. He needs to put in a lot or work in the off season.

The other is McLean, I forget how slow he is until I see him live. It's embarrassing, can we afford to keep him?

You dont think that Judds back playing good footy has anything to do with it

Disagree. Great job on Prestia who has been a star this year. Completely shut him down. Very disciplined job.

Casboult's a bit like Docherty, a bit cooked after a year of being both 2nd ruck and 3rd forward. He's shown he can fill the role well though this year. Whether he can be a true key forward is another matter but he's perfect for the role he is in as was Leigh Brown. In an era where two ruckmen can clog a forward line when one resting and simply can't play forward, or where one ruck and a pinch-hitter can leave u short, Casboult is just right for that role.

Menzel will learn and will be a good player for us. A forward line of Waite, Henderson, Casboult and Menzel could end up very potent.

Maybe be a bit off the boil but they started yesterday 4 games ahead of us and had been in the 8 most of the year. So a good half against them I'm most happy about these days.

..it takes a while for the culture to change.. ..write this season off as a development year.. ..try and cash in on a few players, cut our losses with a couple more and have a big pre-season..

The commentators agree with you Psych. Great shut down role by Carrazzo and he's been doing it for years.
Do we need Curnow, Carrazzo, Ellard and Brock for shutdown roles and nothing else?
Curnow has a good motor and gets to many contests, but the other 3, and add Graham, they are plodders.
Brock is cooked!! Embarassing TBH and not AFL standard for pace.

No way known would i rest Menzel.................give him an easy out ? create another softy ! bullshit.Work him into the ground till he drops from exhaustion.Agree with other posters that he is taking short cuts and cheating,and for mine the cure for that is hard work.Mollycoddling young blokes with rest/fatigue management is giving blokes an easy copout.Menzel is one bloke who needs a rocket,not an easy out.Thats what has got us in the shit in the first place.Harden up or harden out.

Regards,Mick.

Judd really needs to go another year.

our midfield with him allows murphy and gibbs to run riot.

Good to play on Saturday afternoon and good to get a win.

Thought GC were pretty poor considering a finals spot was at stake.

Had to leave early in the last, but controlled the game up to then.

Out powered and dominated the suns in the 1st half... brought back distant memories.
Controlled 3rd quarter and made life tough for the suns.

Sheehan has a good left foot, good natural thinker and great footy physique.
For a guy who's just started playing he has massive upside IMO.

Need to get our younger developing kids over to Arizona for an extended stint.... don't worry about the mature blokes.

Positive day all in all.