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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:01 pm 
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It's probably blind faith as much as anything, but I am really looking forward to 2015 and expect we'll be a surprise bolter up the ladder.

Okay, it's fine to have that feeling now when our season is shot, let's hope I still have it after round 4-5 next year, haha.


I reckon it is a reasonable assumption, based on the last few weeks.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:23 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
It's probably blind faith as much as anything, but I am really looking forward to 2015 and expect we'll be a surprise bolter up the ladder.

Okay, it's fine to have that feeling now when our season is shot, let's hope I still have it after round 4-5 next year, haha.


I reckon it is a reasonable assumption, based on the last few weeks.


Me too.

That was one of our worst sides we put out all year on Friday and they played about as well as any of them.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:25 pm 
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It would be a bitter blow if we didn't improve next year.


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Freo were terrible thursday. They are badly out of form
Dont be fooled top sides take it easy against us and do just enough
Gold Coast next week will be a better indication they have been terrible lately

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Sydney Blue wrote:
Freo were terrible thursday. They are badly out of form
Dont be fooled top sides take it easy against us and do just enough
Gold Coast next week will be a better indication they have been terrible lately


If we won a flag I bet it's dues to the other 3 PF sides being ordinary and out of form too :roll:.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:14 pm 
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jim wrote:
Ratts did a great job and deserves more accolades for the job he did. So I refuse to distinguish between them.

I saw the last couple of weeks for the first time that we are starting to mould into the Malthouse way. He's adjusted the way we've played to suit our strengths and we we've responded accordingly. We have substance, less fragility, good run, and usually go where the best option is whether it down the corridor or around the boundary. We're setting our forwards up now instead of bombing. Defensively we finally look like a side after all these years. Players are developing, including average one becoming contributors, as he managed to do at the Pies.

It's taken us more than a year and a half, and some compromise from the coach but finally, after all this time, we're a slowly looking like a Malthouse side re: Collingwood and the Eagles. Suppose Rome wasn't built in a day and we have years of bad, habits, poor culture and attitude to get over. Still work to do though and it's still "early days".

We still have things to work on. Better kicking at goal, better composure when it matter, as alot of close losses aren't bad luck, as MM says, and those bloody red time goals. It was 5 last night. In a low scoring game that, together with poor goalkicking, kills and cost us the game last night. There's those schoolboy errors too that still need to be eliminated but they're getting less.

I'm more encouraged than i have been for years, despite our 6 wins, as we're looking like something. There's still work to do and we can easily still slip back.

Right now kudos to both Ratten, who took us from the brink of absolute sh1t to near PF, and MM for finally getting his playing to play with commitment and substance and being strong enough to change and coach more to our strengths.


Some fair points Jim but I felt that Ratten was always learning on the job and that is always dangerous with a young group.

In the end he was in charge of a football department that had great draft picks & Judd and due to poor recruiting and development under performed.


All you can look at under Ratts was the results. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, in this case the results and we improved each year, but the injury ridden last one, to the point of near playing a PF, injuries costing us there. Given where we were he did a really good job.

Not sure the coach has total control of the footy department and draft picks. It was something Terry Wallace was saying once on SEN.

Anyway, enough of Ratts, those days are done, back to MM. As I said for the first time we look a side with true substance, plying in the typical MM mould. That is another step up again on many previous years.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:31 pm 
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redback, don't take my word for it. Listen to or ask a commentator/decent watcher on our defensive running patters over the last few weeks.

There are good things happening with this group, and all should be credited for their role in it.

The list is not at a level of quality to genuinely contend, that's clear. But for the first time in a long time they look organised, committed and playing as a unit rather than a group of talented individuals.

another e.g.f rom last night - the composure and patience they had in switching the ball around, particularly in the back half. It takes a high level of trust to stick with that as consistently as we saw.

Anyway not sure why I'm othering wth this. Grab a pitchfork and placard, eh. Down with Evil Mick!



I’m not arguing about the improvement just the timing and its justification.
Let’s see over the coming month and even early next year to see how predictions end up.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:09 am 
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http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/if-mic ... 7011177123


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:37 am 
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Nice article. People starting to smell what the Blues are cooking.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:33 am 
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padre wrote:
Ratten did a lyon. He timed it beautifully ( ok he had no say in the timing). But the group he inherited were about to take the next step. The fact that he did better than pagan, is partly ratten being more than pagan in terms of modern football thinking and the fact that he had some great new recruits who were starting to come through. He was no genius , and his post match interviews were showing how one dimensionally he thought.


Yes, yes, we get it.
When Mick took over Collingwood and West Coast, it was his hard work and brilliance that saw them improve.
When Ratten took over Carlton, it was just plain luck. :lol:

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Instead of overpaying Mick and sending EVERYONE over to high altitude, how about just sending a few young guys like Cripps, Docherty, Buckley, Bell over for a lengthy stint in high altitude... ?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:02 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Yes, yes, we get it.
When Mick took over Collingwood and West Coast, it was his hard work and brilliance that saw them improve.
When Ratten took over Carlton, it was just Chris Judd. :lol:


EFA :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:43 am 
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George Harris wrote:
Nice article. People starting to smell what the Blues are cooking.



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:46 pm 
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He was surprised to inherit a Carlton list that had very little room to move under the salary cap...

What a great club...

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In the two years since he has performed the most radical list overhaul in the competition and by the time they line up next year, the Blues will have less than half of their 2013 list still on their books.

Exactly what was needed

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:48 pm 
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From the same paper that said we failed to deliver on our promise of a major list culling last year.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:13 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
From the same paper that said we failed to deliver on our promise of a major list culling last year.


Yes, but the previous year they did, thankfully, bring the revelation that 1AW sometimes wears a hat.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:25 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
From the same paper that said we failed to deliver on our promise of a major list culling last year.


Yes, but the previous year they did, thankfully, bring the revelation that 1AW sometimes wears a hat.

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Maybe we need to tell Mick we're going to sakc him at the end of 2016.

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Get Maxwell - he'd come a lot cheaper


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Sydney Blue wrote:
Freo were terrible thursday. They are badly out of form
Dont be fooled top sides take it easy against us and do just enough
Gold Coast next week will be a better indication they have been terrible lately


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