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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:43 pm 
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"Good work padre, you keep barracking for Mick and following his career as he chases the money from club to club to 3AW, book launches TV and back again, and I'll keep following Carlton."

Oh please. Poor carlton they got taken advantage of by big bad mick. He was offered , he took. Does this make him any different to anybody else?
What should he have done after eddie came up with his masterstroke to replace him? I dont blame him for telling eddie to gagf. Why not go into media street? He wouldnt be the only one who has gone down that path. This is beginning to sound like petty jealousy.

He took the $3,000,000 with the job description to deliver the premiership Ratten couldn't with the group.

He failed and misjudged.

He wasn't contracted to rebuild.


I wonder if his contract actually does have a premiership requirement? I wonder if other coaches do have a 'rebuild' allowance in their contract? If he wins a premiership next year would it still be deemed a failure?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:12 pm 
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Madhouse! That's a new one!


So witty as well


Thank you ... shucks. :smoking: ... Really not so difficult when the Blues have such an inspirational leader like Madhouse.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:10 pm 
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148 pages just shows how much of spud we have leading our club. If he wasnt still a collingwood man, he might be more likeable.

But he is a tool with a losing record, no gameplan and failed the club in why he was brought in. Sums it up basically. Would be sacked by now in any other job by performance and lack of deliverables.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:29 pm 
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148 pages just shows how much of spud we have leading our club.


Or how many Carlton supporters need to get out more... :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:36 pm 
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148 pages just shows how much of spud we have leading our club. If he wasnt still a collingwood man, he might be more likeable.

But he is a tool with a losing record, no gameplan and failed the club in why he was brought in. Sums it up basically. Would be sacked by now in any other job by performance and lack of deliverables.

Is their anything constructive you can come up with or do your parents only let you use a keyboard after you have come back from childcare. Do you even know what a gameplan is, except for strategic ludo.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:19 pm 
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Winning premierships is not an accident. It is the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning and focused effort. I am sure Mick has the "know how" to take this club forward.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:42 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
148 pages just shows how much of spud we have leading our club. If he wasnt still a collingwood man, he might be more likeable.

But he is a tool with a losing record, no gameplan and failed the club in why he was brought in. Sums it up basically. Would be sacked by now in any other job by performance and lack of deliverables.


:lol:

You're a real battler.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:49 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:02 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
148 pages just shows how much of spud we have leading our club. If he wasnt still a collingwood man, he might be more likeable.

But he is a tool with a losing record, no gameplan and failed the club in why he was brought in. Sums it up basically. Would be sacked by now in any other job by performance and lack of deliverables.


surely thats just a wind up by you :donk:


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:29 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
padre wrote:
"Good work padre, you keep barracking for Mick and following his career as he chases the money from club to club to 3AW, book launches TV and back again, and I'll keep following Carlton."

Oh please. Poor carlton they got taken advantage of by big bad mick. He was offered , he took. Does this make him any different to anybody else?
What should he have done after eddie came up with his masterstroke to replace him? I dont blame him for telling eddie to gagf. Why not go into media street? He wouldnt be the only one who has gone down that path. This is beginning to sound like petty jealousy.

He took the $3,000,000 with the job description to deliver the premiership Ratten couldn't with the group.

He failed and misjudged.

He wasn't contracted to rebuild.

Rexy thanks for the info. Just wondering, would you be able to post the link to the contract with the job description please? I have been dying to see it for ages. Thankyou


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:22 pm 
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I think you'll find coaching contracts and Position Descriptions across the board are pretty generic. On the way, the football department determine the breakdown into more specific areas that you nor I are too privy too.

1. Develop Club’s Football & Coaching Strategy

a. Responsible for the development and implementation of the Club’s Football & Coaching Strategy.
b. Develop game plan and style of play consistent with Club’s Football Strategy.
c. Game plan provides a framework for the recruitment and player development programs.

KPI - Game Plan & On-field Performance

2. Overall Coaching of Players & Coaching Staff

- implement Game Plan effectively
a. Develop training sessions and presentations to the playing group.
b. Develop scorecard & responses of key performance indicators of playing group’s progress.
c. Develop skill development strategies and tactics for a variety of situations and opponents.
d. Manage the implementation of the Coaching program, including:
- match committee
- match day
- match review
- recruitment of players
- development of players
- retention of players.

KPI - Improvement in players AND team improvement. Leadership & Management

3. Relationship Management

a. Positive working relationships with all players and coaching staff.
b. Positive working relationship with CEO, GMF and President.
c. Positive working relationship with the Executive Management team of the club & Board.
d. Positive working relationship with the AFL and other industry stakeholders.

KPI - Improvements made to Relationship Management

4. Develop a Culture of Success with Shared Values

a. Establish a professional & disciplined culture for players, coaches and staff which reflect the Club’s core values.
b. Provide strong leadership to the playing and coaching groups that encourages a supportive team environment consistent with the Club’s values.

KPI - Improvement to Culture

5. Promote the Club and its Brand

a. Develop a game plan and strategies that have a positive impact on the Club’s financial performance by winning Premierships and a style of play that is appealing to supporters & members.
b. Communicate effective and consistent media messages.
c. Role model & ambassador of the Club.
d. Develop sound working relationship with Club partners, corporate sponsors & media

KPI - Commercial Brand Development

Half-Year Review (formal) - conducted by CEO & GMFO
Annual Review (formal) – conducted by CEO & GMFO
Signed off by Senior Coach, CEO and President


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:03 am 
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Trigger wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
148 pages just shows how much of spud we have leading our club. If he wasnt still a collingwood man, he might be more likeable.

But he is a tool with a losing record, no gameplan and failed the club in why he was brought in. Sums it up basically. Would be sacked by now in any other job by performance and lack of deliverables.

Is their anything constructive you can come up with or do your parents only let you use a keyboard after you have come back from childcare. Do you even know what a gameplan is, except for strategic ludo.


I think Goltz's preferred game plan revolved around Fev.


I don't think Fev is coming back somehow....


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:39 am 
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Nicholls just lost his wife. From the people I talk to there was no past player more dedicated and more in love with their partner than Nick was. This is a thing not really talked about normally but with Nick it is made a special mention. Nick was as good as a life partner to his wife as anyone to represent the club.

Now moral equivalence comes into question.

Yes. Nick ripped off a bank.

The only difference between Nick and a million other Carlton and VFL players is that he got caught.

In this instance the fact that he got caught is an indication that he actually was not very good at being dishonest.

Make no mistake. On the grading of good person bad person for VFL/AFL players Nick is firmly in the good person half.

Do not pretend otherwise.

Makes you look like a flower.... and a bad person.


Let's be straight about this, firstly, I didn't bring Nicholls into the debate.
Secondly, I am very sorry he lost his wife. He was one of my favourite all time players but Big Nick would be the first to admit he wasn't angel. But that was part of the package and as a package, he was one of the most admired and loved players of all time. We knew he had his issues and we didn't try to paint him as someone else.

Mind you, your attempt to make him a victim because he got caught is ridiculous.

As for Malthouse and I'll say this for the 100th time. Like Nicholls, Ratten, Pagan and all others before him, he has strengths and weaknesses. People see him as a great coach, I see him as an adequate coach. That's just my opinion.

Some posters seem to see him as a great role model and mentor to our young players. I think that's farcical. I've given examples of him lying to avoid taking responsibility for his actions. Let's be straight about it. Not one person has been able to dispute those facts. I'm not saying the bloke should be hung for those things but let's not come on here misrepresenting the bloke. It's no difference to someone coming on TC claiming Ratts was a coaching great. It's just not true. To me, if posters are coming on here depicting the bloke as something he's not, it tells me they're struggling for positives. Just my opinion.

GWS, I'm not saying we should be rebuilding the club based on morals but I do think all aspects of a persons character should be included in the analysis. If the club are happy with the appointment after assessing all the relevant aspects, fine.
As I've said 1 million times, I just want the bloke represented honestly. Some posters are trying to paint him as someone and something he's not. I disagree with those ascertions. I don't see the problem with that.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:20 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
....People see him as a great coach, I see him as an adequate coach...


Yep.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:10 am 
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Bluey44 wrote:
Trigger wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
148 pages just shows how much of spud we have leading our club. If he wasnt still a collingwood man, he might be more likeable.

But he is a tool with a losing record, no gameplan and failed the club in why he was brought in. Sums it up basically. Would be sacked by now in any other job by performance and lack of deliverables.

Is their anything constructive you can come up with or do your parents only let you use a keyboard after you have come back from childcare. Do you even know what a gameplan is, except for strategic ludo.


I think Goltz's preferred game plan revolved around Fev.


I don't think Fev is coming back somehow....


No Fev no Me. Earns over $100k a year though does Goltz so he knows what he's talking about.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:08 am 
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Big Goltz loves him a big fat contract choc full of Zimbabwean currency to line his pockets with. Best in the business. Whichever business that may be.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:34 am 
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http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-0 ... ick-i-know

Great article.
the media as a whole took the opportunity to lay the boot into Mick at a vulnerable moment.
They are on the whole a bunch of gutless vultures.
I still dont know what crime he committed.
Interesting that Rohan Connolly was defending him on SEN along with derm saying that the media was over the top. Wonder whether that was aimed at Slobbo and caro, his main rivals.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:04 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
The Yes Man wrote:
Nicholls just lost his wife. From the people I talk to there was no past player more dedicated and more in love with their partner than Nick was. This is a thing not really talked about normally but with Nick it is made a special mention. Nick was as good as a life partner to his wife as anyone to represent the club.

Now moral equivalence comes into question.

Yes. Nick ripped off a bank.

The only difference between Nick and a million other Carlton and VFL players is that he got caught.

In this instance the fact that he got caught is an indication that he actually was not very good at being dishonest.

Make no mistake. On the grading of good person bad person for VFL/AFL players Nick is firmly in the good person half.

Do not pretend otherwise.

Makes you look like a flower.... and a bad person.


Let's be straight about this, firstly, I didn't bring Nicholls into the debate.
Secondly, I am very sorry he lost his wife. He was one of my favourite all time players but Big Nick would be the first to admit he wasn't angel. But that was part of the package and as a package, he was one of the most admired and loved players of all time. We knew he had his issues and we didn't try to paint him as someone else.

Mind you, your attempt to make him a victim because he got caught is ridiculous.

As for Malthouse and I'll say this for the 100th time. Like Nicholls, Ratten, Pagan and all others before him, he has strengths and weaknesses. People see him as a great coach, I see him as an adequate coach. That's just my opinion.

Some posters seem to see him as a great role model and mentor to our young players. I think that's farcical. I've given examples of him lying to avoid taking responsibility for his actions. Let's be straight about it. Not one person has been able to dispute those facts. I'm not saying the bloke should be hung for those things but let's not come on here misrepresenting the bloke. It's no difference to someone coming on TC claiming Ratts was a coaching great. It's just not true. To me, if posters are coming on here depicting the bloke as something he's not, it tells me they're struggling for positives. Just my opinion.

GWS, I'm not saying we should be rebuilding the club based on morals but I do think all aspects of a persons character should be included in the analysis. If the club are happy with the appointment after assessing all the relevant aspects, fine.
As I've said 1 million times, I just want the bloke represented honestly. Some posters are trying to paint him as someone and something he's not. I disagree with those ascertions. I don't see the problem with that.


I think you are being very very kind to Madhouse.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:36 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-07-25/neeld-the-mick-i-know

Great article.
the media as a whole took the opportunity to lay the boot into Mick at a vulnerable moment.
They are on the whole a bunch of gutless vultures.
I still dont know what crime he committed.
Interesting that Rohan Connolly was defending him on SEN along with derm saying that the media was over the top. Wonder whether that was aimed at Slobbo and caro, his main rivals.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:56 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-07-25/neeld-the-mick-i-know

Great article.
the media as a whole took the opportunity to lay the boot into Mick at a vulnerable moment.
They are on the whole a bunch of gutless vultures.
I still dont know what crime he committed.
Interesting that Rohan Connolly was defending him on SEN along with derm saying that the media was over the top. Wonder whether that was aimed at Slobbo and caro, his main rivals.


Most of them are scumbags just searching for the next headline. They are vultures and add no value to AFL.

The way Ablett was harassed recently is a good example of how low these guys can go. Ablett with a crook shoulder had to push his way through cameras just to get into an elevator or a hospital ward. I wish Plugger Locket was still around.

I have seen full footage of the questions and MM's reaction and I support MM's reaction. He puts them back into their box without throwing a crutch at them (Plugger Locket style).

It is interesting that MMs mild responses have caused him more flack in the media than Hardwick threatening to punch a reporter for calling his team soft. :thumbsup: I think the Collingwood media brigade are trying to take the heat off Buckley who MM left a young premiership side to. :thumbsup:

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