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I love your optimism Dannyboy but I think the list is just about the worst I've ever seen. I think we are at least another 3 years away from even thinking about finals and I just hope the development of our youth isn't hurt by the lack of senior players we have left.


We're not too flash at the moment, but at least we have a handful of promising kids. 3-4 years ago we largely had a core of aging stars and a bunch of hacks to make up numbers.

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interestingly the whizzer team and team 2004 were both coached by Denis....hmmm


Yes, we did have brief interludes where we did play up to our potential. Evidence perhaps that our list is not as bad as everyone is claiming.

The question is - what happened to the other two years??


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interestingly the whizzer team and team 2004 were both coached by Denis....hmmm
Alot's changed since the wizzer....why? Well for the sake of the club let's hope you're right. He's already lost virtually 2 "teams". I'm hoping though that those little glimpes of form towards the season's end meant something regarding both player and coach attitude. For the sake of the club it has too. The game plan suddenly freed up, outsiders took training and the assistants were actually able to talk to the players during breaks. Seems someone must've got into Pagan's ear because 3 more years like the rubbish (both coach and player) we got this year would nearly finish the club. Members would drop off as would sponsors. Anyway, let's hope because we have 3 more years of this guy. The results he's got us over the last 3 years have generally been disgraceful. 2004 and the wizzer showed we can really play but 15th and 16th in 2003/5 is a disgrace given he's the most highly paid and supposedly one of the most decorated coach's in the comp.


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The most strained relationship in the AFL between captains and coaches is Kouta and Pagan in my opinion.


How did you come to that conclusion?


1) What I noticed at training when I was there in July.
2) Kouta has always said he wasn't happy with the way he had to play when Pagan came along.
3) The fact there was talk of replacing him with Stevens shows some kind of discontent, denial notwithstanding.

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But BM.. youre saying Collo is trying to finmd us board members..


How can you say.. "Collo is trying to bring people into the fold"???

thats Elliot with Delutis....

What you should be explaining is how if you think Denis is wrong for us.. how did we sign him up?
Why did we sign his assistants up?
Why are we paying less than any other club to our recruiting dept.. when we surely need it more than anyone else...??
Why is Fev signed up and then put up for trade???
Why is Grant Williams our Football manger and he doesnt have any Footy experience...???

Why are we struggling with sponsors?
What is our plan??
How are we selling our future to the memebers and supporters???

Thats what Collo is meant to be overseeing...not handpicking board members.. hes already done that with Carlton 1.. its time the club begins shaping itself without the beancounter influence its now inundated with.

Theyre yesterdays people...


These issues have been raised and debated by many other posters Synbad, over many months and in this regard you are a bit of a Johhny come lately and quite frankly boring.



They're simple questions Mark, what are your thoughts?


Gave my thoughts on these questions months ago BV,

I will pick out a couple though as I have limited time today.

Fev, questioned the need to re-sign him at the time as I believed he had not played any decent footy for 12 months.

Stated some months ago that more money and resources needed to be given to the recruiting dept.

Wrote a piece that Synbad tore apart that questioned Pagans coaching and the entire football dept operation, again months ago.

Also wrote more than one piece on the struggles re attacting sponsorship on TBV one of which was highly critical of the then sponsorship manger.

As I said BV, Synbad is a Johhny come lately on many of these issues. In fact he has done a major backflip on many points in the last few weeks. He has gone from attacking anyone who questioned the board and Pagan to 'leading' the charge against both. But then thier is no-one more fanatical than a 'convert'


But Mark?????

If someone could bre bothered to dig through the posts you wanted both Denis and Fev re signed also...

Youre deflecting and you cant answer the questions i asked of you...
The board is who i blame... they make the decisions on players, coaches and direction.
And Marky mark.. i can lead a charge against anyone i beliueve needs to have a rocket put up them.
Like your continual shifting a nd hiding behind youyr finger.
You add nothing...!!!

Tell me you questioned Fevs appointment again.. go on??

Just say i questioned Fevs appointment and ill happily look for your posts to the contrary.
Same with Denis..
Yeah you dont have time.. but youll be back on again posting so you do have time.

The best thing about the internet Mark is its all on record for everyone to see...

What your bomb shell did say is that you would get rid of Denis and the MC and everyone over 25!!!!.. that was after you were singing Denis praises earlier...
But thats unrealistic Mark!
Why would you get rid of Barnaby French???

Plus you refused to place the blame at the boards feet.. How is Denis coach if it wernt for the board i asked you??

Well you diudnt answer..

You ran for cover...

Like you do time and time again.
At least i admit it when im wrong...
You pretend you know whats going on and have a clue to obstacles that face the club.
You think its Denis fault...well we would have someone else if the board had a clue.. (if he isnt the right man)


Synners I am not the one doing backflips with a twist, while spinning around ranting in the middle of the playground. Reckon you would get a gig with the Cirus de Soleil or at the very least the Speilgal tent.

As for admitting when you are wrong :lol: :lol: :lol:

But for the record.

I believe that Dennis did not coach as well this year as he did last year, but the signs were encouraging at seasons end. I am looking to significant improve within the younger group next year and a more flexible gameplan

I support the current board, on the whole they have done a pretty good job in restoring the situation from the disaster Elliot left, there have been some errors of judgement but in the main a pretty good job. The fact that the board is activly seeking out mew blood deserves support not condemnation.

As for the administration, while Malouf has been described as a 'committee groupie' he seems to be running the business side as well as he can given the situation. There have however been some poor decisions made in regard to management positions but that seems to have been sorted out, with Kenny Hunter reveiwing marketing before he left, and the appt of a capable person leader in the membership department.

One thing people are tending to forget is that we are as a club are coming off a very low base with little or no resources avialable to work with. We knew that when Carlton One took over the process of recovery would take a long time, we also knew that there would be many setbacks and frusrations on the way. At the moment we are a little way behind where I expected us to be by this stage of the recovery process but not enough to cause me to much concern.

For the club to recover, it will take a lot of perserverance and patience not throwing temper tantrums every time the board/club does not do what we want.


But you didnt answer the questions Mark...

and patience i have as a matter of fact Marky Mark i made a 10 slab of beer bet that we wont be in the top 8 by the end of 2008.....(with a board member.. tonight.
Id call that patient would you???

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so the board member bet we would make the top 8 ??

at least someone has hope

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You dont live in hope you live on a plan and a heavy dose of reality...

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he must have a plan if he is willing to lay a large beer bet like that :wink:

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His plan is to avoid me in three years....

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lol!

there is no way you can predict what will happen by 2008 but if you look at the players we consider to have talent and their age I think we will still be too young - this sucks but I think 2010 is more realistic (geez it hurts saying that)


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CK95 wrote:
Wow - promise me Atticus Finch will be your next alter ego


Okay then, I promise.

And where is Boo Radley these days anyway ??

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They disbanded years ago.

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mmm what a lovely trip down memory lane. I just have two things to say:

my eyes hurt

Oh godly one I am still waiting for your call.

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mmm what a lovely trip down memory lane. I just have two things to say:

my eyes hurt

Oh godly one I am still waiting for your call.


Ill call you when i get around to you bb...... :wink:

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They disbanded years ago.


They were ordinary anyway, should have broken up before they formed.

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agreed. Great name though.

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I think for the first time ever I have liked something Carlton God posted. I must admit I had a good chuckle at one or two posters replies to him. I was going to cut and paste Synbads defence of Whitnal and juxapose a recent post about Whits, but I guess that would start another round of childish behaviour :lol: Just goes to show I guess that opinions and times do indeed change

PS Anyone else ever notice that when CG appears Shiek seems to be in the area :lol:

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Sad to embrace someone if they support our side against another side. A person's mistakes must always be recognised, never embraced for the sake of convenience or argument.

Has US forgein policy taught you nothing 8)

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Just goes to show I guess that opinions and times do indeed change



Not embracing anyone Danny just making an interesting and to me a slightly humerous) observation.

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