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gerry atric · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:35 am **Posts:** 2125

padre wrote:

i cant believe that there are still some mick detractors out there.

maybe it is something to do with us being about 14th on the ladder, having won 6 games, and our coach being an unpleasant, self indulgent p@&$;k who is utterly incapable of admitting fault and who allows himself to be distracted by issues he should ignore.

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17222

gerry atric wrote:

... being an unpleasant, self indulgent p@&$;k who is utterly incapable of admitting fault and who allows himself to be distracted by issues he should ignore.

You just described Andy Murray!

BigKev · **Posted:** Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:02 pm

Effes wrote:

BigKev wrote:

Now it appears that the list was not quite that good after all and we now need a coach to rebuild it. MM's record at doing this is pretty good. Give him some time.

He's already hindered the rebuild with his Thomas recruitment - did we decide after last season or during this season that the list was stuffed?

BigKev wrote:

...and who else are we going to get anyway?

Leigh Tudor, Gavin Brown, Mark Stone, David Noble, John Blakey are some candidates (to begin with) - most of them have been assistants for a long time and have been at different clubs.

Go on Carlton, think carefully for once about coaching appointments.

Jake Niall made some interesting comments last year

Quote:

These powerful, heavily supported clubs seem to find the notion of finding an obscure assistant and making him coach unpalatable. Thus, they constantly find themselves hiring one of their own, failing or falling out and then going back to a proven coach from outside their gene pool. Ratten, it must be said, was not terribly favoured for a son; the club and its impatient fans marked him hard. Buckley and Hird had the advantage of strong clubs and support staff that Primus and Voss did not enjoy when they were appointed. Voss did not have Mark Thompson or Rodney Eade at his side. Poor list management calls, as distinct from coaching nous, will probably prove the coach-killer in his case.

It's understandable that clubs install their inspirational icons, who are mostly ex-captains. They are a statement of identity in a professionalised game that no longer has real home grounds (besides Geelong, the SCG and Gabba) and is predominantly populated with AFL careerists - CEOs, coaches and recruiters - who owe no allegiance to any particular tribe. The favourite son preserves the clubs' sense that it stands for something.

Some fortunate sons will succeed, just as surely as career coaches - which remain a clear majority of them - fail. But in this age, the scoreboard heavily favours those who weren't favoured.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/t ... z37hjV5DwR

1) I think that Thomas will be a gun next season - but personally I wouldn't have gone after him. No argument with you there.

2) My point is that MM should serve out his contract, or a least most of it. How many of the names you list as being available to take over in 2015 won't still be available in 2016? MM's record on player development is excellent - lets give him another 12 months and see how things are looking then, (we're paying for it anyway).

MPH78 · **Posted:** Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:03 pm

My 10 yr old son just came to me....'Dad Malthouse had another incident in his press conference. I hate him, he always acts like an idiot. I don't want him being our coach'.

While clearly he is ignorant to all the issues, Mick and the club should recognise that his public performances do have an impact on the club and the supporter base. All ages.

Mickstar · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 7361

Anyhow,the gossip at the magoos today was that if aint Mick it will be Woosha or Vossy.

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23924

Mickstar wrote:

Anyhow,the gossip at the magoos today was that if aint Mick it will be Woosha or Vossy.

Woosha?
what's the story with employing the oldies?
is it because the board are decrepid?

Quote:

1) I think that Thomas will be a gun next season - but personally I wouldn't have gone after him. No argument with you there.

2) My point is that MM should serve out his contract, or a least most of it. How many of the names you list as being available to take over in 2015 won't still be available in 2016? MM's record on player development is excellent - lets give him another 12 months and see how things are looking then, (we're paying for it anyway).

sounds fair enough. agree re thomas.

would be very happy if Vossy jumps on next year as assistant, and possible take over for 2016.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:25 pm

Mickstar wrote:

Anyhow,the gossip at the magoos today was that if aint Mick it will be Woosha or Vossy.

Mick is better than Woosh.

camel · **Posted:** Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:42 pm

Mickstar wrote:

Nice touch for the Prez to get along to the magoo match today and mingle with the grassroots rank and file supporter.....................the bloke has the common touch.Whether he will be a success or not i dont know,but i reckon he is the sort of bloke who is going to give it his all,and you cant knock that.Never knock a trier i say.

Bluey44 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:09 am

Mickstar wrote:

Nice touch for the Prez to get along to the magoo match today and mingle with the grassroots rank and file supporter.....................the bloke has the common touch.Whether he will be a success or not i dont know,but i reckon he is the sort of bloke who is going to give it his all,and you cant knock that.Never knock a trier i say.

Dominator_7 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:58 am

Seriously, this 'grumpy Mick' thing is becoming ridiculous.
So the guy doesn't like the media, and doesn't suffer fools (of which there are many in the media these days)
So what!!
His presser on Thursday is about the off field stuff. Mick spoke about it, answered questions, and to me, basically, that closed the chapter on the situation.
But nooooooo....
Commetti goes at him pre game on Friday night about the off field stuff.
Stevo goes at him post match about the off field stuff.
No wonder he walked out on Stevo's dumb question in the end.
He's right. Many in the media carrying on like he murdered the Prime Minster!!
Even Hamish Mac this morning on Gameday took a swipe saying 'Mick struggling to find a happy place right now'.
Really Hamish ?? Really ??
It smacks of agenda, and is quite petty and pathetic.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18031

Nah, if you choose to be a smart arse and rude when you on top, you should expect the cycle to turn when you're under the pump.
Mick is only reaping what he sowed.

As someone said the other day, if Mick doesn't want his antics shown on the big screen or TV, no worries. Just forsake the 400k the club receives for coaches box advertising out off his own pay packet.
Easy.

Dominator_7 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:07 am

Blue Vain wrote:

As someone said the other day, if Mick doesn't want his antics shown on the big screen or TV, no worries. Just forsake the 400k the club receives for coaches box advertising out off his own pay packet.
Easy.

Yeah great answer

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

Dominator_7 wrote:

Seriously, this 'grumpy Mick' thing is becoming ridiculous.
So the guy doesn't like the media, and doesn't suffer fools (of which there are many in the media these days)
So what!!
His presser on Thursday is about the off field stuff. Mick spoke about it, answered questions, and to me, basically, that closed the chapter on the situation.
But nooooooo....
Commetti goes at him pre game on Friday night about the off field stuff.
Stevo goes at him post match about the off field stuff.
No wonder he walked out on Stevo's dumb question in the end.
He's right. Many in the media carrying on like he murdered the Prime Minster!!
Even Hamish Mac this morning on Gameday took a swipe saying 'Mick struggling to find a happy place right now'.
Really Hamish ?? Really ??
It smacks of agenda, and is quite petty and pathetic.

Other coaches handle and use the media well.

Its not that hard to do, is it ?

Macfart · **Posted:** Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:14 am

I do not care about his media persona that much, what i do care about is that individuals in the team are improving under him. To me they are and therefore I hope he at least see's his contract out till the end of next year

As for Mark Maclure I think he is being used by the media and his rant was out of order

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:14 am

i dont think other coaches use the media well at all.
all of them are good when the media is ok with them.. all of them are crap when the media isnt.. if they have been around long enough

i think this is another mirage

i think some coaches can be made to look stupid in front of the camera because they dont have the nouse
but every coach is rude when theyre up against it
ive seen clarkson do it
ive seen bomba do it
ross lyon
hardwick
sheedy
pagan

alot of it has to do with length of time doing it..

the focus on mick is nonsense

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:16 am

i also reckon that the after match interviews dont do anybody any favours... is there a bigger wank in footy?

emtwenty · **Joined:** Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:29 pm **Posts:** 7074

Funny how no one cared when golden boy Hinkley nearly knocked Shaun Hart out in the coaches box earlier in the year.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

LEAVE MICK ALONE !!!

ALL OF YOU !!!!

Dominator_7 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:22 am

Buckley man handles his player and its forgotten about by midweek.
Brad Scott blasts an opposition player its forgotten about by midweek.
Bomber craps on about his players taking anti Cancer drugs, and the media don't scrutinise him.
Mick blasts a Channel 7 reporter, and is treated like a murderer, and is still questioned about it post win the following game.
Yeah, there's no agenda.

gerry atric · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:35 am **Posts:** 2125

Dominator_7"
Yeah great answer

[quote="Blue Vain wrote:

As someone said the other day, if Mick doesn't want his antics shown on the big screen or TV, no worries. Just forsake the 400k the club receives for coaches box advertising out off his own pay packet.
Easy.

Yeah i agree Dom, that is a great answer from BV. Basically Mick's weakness is an incapacity for genuine self reflection and self criticism and honesty, and a nasty arrogance towards people who "haven't played the game". For all his strengths as a coach they are serious character flaws, he has never addressed them, never acknowledged them and never will.

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