Malthouse contract discussion: EXTENSION DENIED!

Rocco Iguana · **Joined:** Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:37 pm **Posts:** 1362

Michael Jezz wrote:

The worst thing the club could do is let frustrated supporters start choosing coaches.

No, there is a worse scenario, allowing frustrated presidents choosing coaches, given how well that's worked for us over the last 10+ years

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23924

OR,
Laidler said the complete opposite.
The work at The Bridge sounds fantastic. hats off to him for that.
This is a seperate issue.
Is he a positive influence on our players?
Maybe on some but not all?
How can someone who lies and evades, and is so lacking in empathy be a great role model?
He is universally disliked in the footy community as opposed to Roos, who I believe is someone that clearly has a positive influence on his players, and whatever club he works for.
it's demonstrated.
I don't see or hear that from MM's past.
In fact, I've heard quite a bit to support the opposite.
and I worked or a long time in a place where I saw many Collingwood players,
and in a situation where it was easy to ask, and get an honest opinion back.
You do get a feel for these things..but
I don't doubt you have heard or seen the opposite.
I hope we get to see it next year.

Ockham's Razor · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:27 pm **Posts:** 1689

Hey BG

I'm not a supporter of MM nor am I against him.

However, I think the balance has been tipped too far against him by the media in an effort to cover over other footy issues.

And btw, the MLG chat with him has obviously had an impact given MM statement today.

Keogh,

maybe MLG has shown the "balls" you asked him for???

Cheers
OR

emtwenty · **Joined:** Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:29 pm **Posts:** 7074

bluegirl72 wrote:

OR,
Laidler said the complete opposite.
The work at The Bridge sounds fantastic. hats off to him for that.
This is a seperate issue.
Is he a positive influence on our players?
Maybe on some but not all?
How can someone who lies and evades, and is so lacking in empathy be a great role model?
He is universally disliked in the footy community as opposed to Roos, who I believe is someone that clearly has a positive influence on his players, and whatever club he works for.
it's demonstrated.
I don't see or hear that from MM's past.
In fact, I've heard quite a bit to support the opposite.
and I worked or a long time in a place where I saw many Collingwood players,
and in a situation where it was easy to ask, and get an honest opinion back.
You do get a feel for these things..but
I don't doubt you have heard or seen the opposite.
I hope we get to see it next year.

Lost me at Laidler. He's a disgruntled bitter ex-employee who was moved on due to a poor attitude. He confirmed this in his pathetic whiny interview on Saturday night and his dig @ Carlton on social media following the game.

BIRDTOWN · **Joined:** Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:37 pm **Posts:** 1378

In every sporting organisation there'll be winners & losers, and the sour taste will come out afterwards from those that don't make it or felt aggrieved at lack of opportunities. Doesn't J.Worsfold still hold a grudge for dropping him in his last season?

We've seen plenty more succeed under MM than the failures and CFC was not exactly in good shape with regards to our football operations.
Heard quite a few media people also say that the MM away from the public/media is a very different beast and well liked.

I don't know & never will know the inner thoughts of all those players but I'm sure he's made better men out of most of his troops and looks like he's working the same with the players at Carlton.

Now for this to translate to the on-field for success (a heavy injection of disposal skills wouldn't go astray). If that doesn't come around then we'll be looking for a new coach but at least some better foundations are in place.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

Ockham's Razor wrote:

Hey BG

I'm not a supporter of MM nor am I against him.

However, I think the balance has been tipped too far against him by the media in an effort to cover over other footy issues.

And btw, the MLG chat with him has obviously had an impact given MM statement today.

Keogh,

maybe MLG has shown the "balls" you asked him for???

Cheers
OR

I'm sorry, but if Mick is incapable of communicating calmly to members through the media, then he isn't what he's cracked up to be and not worthy of the price tag.

PR is a large and vital requirement for a senior coach.

gerry atric · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:35 am **Posts:** 2125

Psych wrote:

I hope in some way he does. I think a lot of you are missing the point.

Whether you believe MM is the right person or not to be coach (and I do) he is a very poor "brand ambassador" for the club and whether he likes it or not that is an important part of his role. Clubs are owned by members and if you aren't considering their point of view you are losing them. There is a reason our membership figures are so low.

Maclure was right when he said the average Carlton fan out there has no idea what we are doing or what our direction is. We keep getting mixed messages and most are from Mick.

A lot of people will always have a crack at him when ever possible because over the past 30 years of coaching he has been rude and disrespectful to most and has many enemies. We can debate it all people like whether it's right or not but it is a fact. Most journalists refuse to deal with him.

His attitude on Saturday was petulant and childish. Where was his focus when the game was tight at HT? He was more worried about a camera. It happens every game and whether he likes it or not it will continue.

IMO MM needs to realise that a coach these days wear's many hats and that he needs to start treating people with the respect he believes he deserves. It's a two way street. If he does that we won't have these problems and the club will be better for it.

I agree with almost all this Psych, except for MM being the right guy. I don't want him sacked but I want him gone at the end of next season when his contract expires unless he performs miracles next year. We are years away and his inconsistent and bizarre behaviour indicates he is losing it. I can live with coaches smashing their fists, we all do it when the team or umps stuff up, but carrying on with a pointless rant against Ling during half time and then pasting paper to the coaches window in the third qtr, that was completely embarrassing. Surely Malthouse sees how embarrassing that was. Could he just come out and own up to losing control and acting unprofessionally. If he ever admitted to a mistake it would go a long way.

His behaviour and promotion of the club this year has been poor, the team has been woeful and the list is about 100 times better than the one Pagan inherited. And the enemies he has made stretch way back to his years as a cowardly thug on the field.

Anyway, I will sign up next year unless Malthouse is extended. If that happens, I will give up my Blues membership after 50 years. If he is insecure, he needs to get over it. No other club wants him so we can wait till the end of his contract before we decide and whatever happens there is no way he should get anywhere near the dough he is currently getting. High profile coaches are supposed to push membership up, not down.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:27 pm

Not really concerned with MMs media performances.

It's clear that there is a strong anti MM sentiment among many many of the journos.

As MM said he's been this guy forever, nothing new. What's changed is he doesn't have a monopoly on footy news (as he did in WA) nor does he have the biggest identity in the sport (Eddie McGuire ) smashing away the criticism.

We are getting some shit for MM's performances now, but most of this is a build up of journos being too scared to do their job in years gone by. Every smack Robbo and Rohan have endured over the years is being paid back with interest.

I do have an issue with his deflection of blame though.

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3073

emtwenty wrote:

bluegirl72 wrote:

OR,
Laidler said the complete opposite.
The work at The Bridge sounds fantastic. hats off to him for that.
This is a seperate issue.
Is he a positive influence on our players?
Maybe on some but not all?
How can someone who lies and evades, and is so lacking in empathy be a great role model?
He is universally disliked in the footy community as opposed to Roos, who I believe is someone that clearly has a positive influence on his players, and whatever club he works for.
it's demonstrated.
I don't see or hear that from MM's past.
In fact, I've heard quite a bit to support the opposite.
and I worked or a long time in a place where I saw many Collingwood players,
and in a situation where it was easy to ask, and get an honest opinion back.
You do get a feel for these things..but
I don't doubt you have heard or seen the opposite.
I hope we get to see it next year.

Lost me at Laidler. He's a disgruntled bitter ex-employee who was moved on due to a poor attitude. He confirmed this in his pathetic whiny interview on Saturday night and his dig @ Carlton on social media following the game.

Wrong .... Laidler wasn't moved on for a poor attitude! ... He was moved on because Mick deemed that Laidler could not play in multiple positions ...

Another magic moment from the Super Duper coach.

AGRO · **Posted:** Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:32 pm

cimm1979 wrote:

Not really concerned with MMs media performances.

It's clear that there is a strong anti MM sentiment among many many of the journos.

As MM said he's been this guy forever, nothing new. What's changed is he doesn't have a monopoly on footy news (as he did in WA) nor does he have the biggest identity in the sport (Eddie McGuire ) smashing away the criticism.

We are getting some shit for MM's performances now, but most of this is a build up of journos being too scared to do their job in years gone by. Every smack Robbo and Rohan have endured over the years is being paid back with interest.

I do have an issue with his deflection of blame though.

Geez it will be interesting how Robbo or Rohan react when they send any of their family to Mark Thompson for cancer treatment and that turns into a steaming pile of dog turds.

Let's hope they display the same sort of moral outrage.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Ockham's Razor wrote:

And btw, the MLG chat with him has obviously had an impact given MM statement today.

I thought of that as soon as I heard him. If so, a huge positive and shows that the people in charge are concerned about it as many of us are. :wink:

emtwenty · **Joined:** Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:29 pm **Posts:** 7074

BigBlueWave wrote:

emtwenty wrote:

bluegirl72 wrote:

OR,
Laidler said the complete opposite.
The work at The Bridge sounds fantastic. hats off to him for that.
This is a seperate issue.
Is he a positive influence on our players?
Maybe on some but not all?
How can someone who lies and evades, and is so lacking in empathy be a great role model?
He is universally disliked in the footy community as opposed to Roos, who I believe is someone that clearly has a positive influence on his players, and whatever club he works for.
it's demonstrated.
I don't see or hear that from MM's past.
In fact, I've heard quite a bit to support the opposite.
and I worked or a long time in a place where I saw many Collingwood players,
and in a situation where it was easy to ask, and get an honest opinion back.
You do get a feel for these things..but
I don't doubt you have heard or seen the opposite.
I hope we get to see it next year.

Lost me at Laidler. He's a disgruntled bitter ex-employee who was moved on due to a poor attitude. He confirmed this in his pathetic whiny interview on Saturday night and his dig @ Carlton on social media following the game.

Wrong .... Laidler wasn't moved on for a poor attitude! ... He was moved on because Mick deemed that Laidler could not play in multiple positions ...

Another magic moment from the Super Duper coach.

Wrong. Fact.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

gerry atric wrote:

Psych wrote:

I hope in some way he does. I think a lot of you are missing the point.

Whether you believe MM is the right person or not to be coach (and I do) he is a very poor "brand ambassador" for the club and whether he likes it or not that is an important part of his role. Clubs are owned by members and if you aren't considering their point of view you are losing them. There is a reason our membership figures are so low.

Maclure was right when he said the average Carlton fan out there has no idea what we are doing or what our direction is. We keep getting mixed messages and most are from Mick.

A lot of people will always have a crack at him when ever possible because over the past 30 years of coaching he has been rude and disrespectful to most and has many enemies. We can debate it all people like whether it's right or not but it is a fact. Most journalists refuse to deal with him.

His attitude on Saturday was petulant and childish. Where was his focus when the game was tight at HT? He was more worried about a camera. It happens every game and whether he likes it or not it will continue.

IMO MM needs to realise that a coach these days wear's many hats and that he needs to start treating people with the respect he believes he deserves. It's a two way street. If he does that we won't have these problems and the club will be better for it.

I agree with almost all this Psych, except for MM being the right guy. I don't want him sacked but I want him gone at the end of next season when his contract expires unless he performs miracles next year. We are years away and his inconsistent and bizarre behaviour indicates he is losing it. I can live with coaches smashing their fists, we all do it when the team or umps stuff up, but carrying on with a pointless rant against Ling during half time and then pasting paper to the coaches window in the third qtr, that was completely embarrassing. Surely Malthouse sees how embarrassing that was. Could he just come out and own up to losing control and acting unprofessionally. If he ever admitted to a mistake it would go a long way.

His behaviour and promotion of the club this year has been poor, the team has been woeful and the list is about 100 times better than the one Pagan inherited. And the enemies he has made stretch way back to his years as a cowardly thug on the field.

Anyway, I will sign up next year unless Malthouse is extended. If that happens, I will give up my Blues membership after 50 years. If he is insecure, he needs to get over it. No other club wants him so we can wait till the end of his contract before we decide and whatever happens there is no way he should get anywhere near the dough he is currently getting. High profile coaches are supposed to push membership up, not down.

Good point Gerry. I'm not convinced that he is the right guy going forward. Too be honest I'm not sure. The key for me is if he is re-signed to another deal there needs to be an understanding amongst all at the club on the direction we are taking and MM needs to buy into it.

In regards to signing up, I hear it a lot about people not signing up, some because of MM and some because of the direction of the club over the past decade and both are issues.

IMO it's up to the individual as we all see it differently. I will stay on and keep my membership, that's just me. However, for the club to build and gain more members, it needs a clear direction and a united front. If it does that more and more will sign up. We have nearly 50 000 members, give us all some hope and direction and 75 000 is a real possibility. :thumbsup:

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17222

Laidler was shite. Build a bridge...

camel · **Posted:** Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:06 pm

BigBlueWave wrote:

Ockham's Razor wrote:

Whether people think MM is a good coach or not is clearly a personal opinion & will be assessed ultimately based on our on field success.

What can't be questioned is his leadership & positive influence on young people - he protects his players & they enjoy him.

MM is a positive role model to young people both within & outside of football. Speak to anyone involved in the Bridge project to see his positive influence on at risk young people - the public perception of him & private reality are at odds.

Some players play for him ... some don't.

He's probably got 17 mates in the AFL on that front.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:09 pm

DocSherrin wrote:

Laidler was shite. Build a bridge...

Battle of the bridge?

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23924

Ockham's Razor wrote:

Hey BG

I'm not a supporter of MM nor am I against him.

However, I think the balance has been tipped too far against him by the media in an effort to cover over other footy issues.

And btw, the MLG chat with him has obviously had an impact given MM statement today.

Keogh,

maybe MLG has shown the "balls" you asked him for???

Cheers
OR

good news!
I guess that means it was indeed a recent talk.
I like the bit where MM says he talked it over with Christy,
and she reckons he's ace at pressers! :lol:

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

I like the comment:

"If it's not good – it's not good for Carlton."

If what OR says is right, and I believe it is, well done MLG. :clap:

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23924

emtwenty wrote:

bluegirl72 wrote:

OR,
Laidler said the complete opposite.
The work at The Bridge sounds fantastic. hats off to him for that.
This is a seperate issue.
Is he a positive influence on our players?
Maybe on some but not all?
How can someone who lies and evades, and is so lacking in empathy be a great role model?
He is universally disliked in the footy community as opposed to Roos, who I believe is someone that clearly has a positive influence on his players, and whatever club he works for.
it's demonstrated.
I don't see or hear that from MM's past.
In fact, I've heard quite a bit to support the opposite.
and I worked or a long time in a place where I saw many Collingwood players,
and in a situation where it was easy to ask, and get an honest opinion back.
You do get a feel for these things..but
I don't doubt you have heard or seen the opposite.
I hope we get to see it next year.

Lost me at Laidler. He's a disgruntled bitter ex-employee who was moved on due to a poor attitude. He confirmed this in his pathetic whiny interview on Saturday night and his dig @ Carlton on social media following the game.

I liked laidler.
He was before the knee cap. an important part of our backline with Jammo.
I thought he was refreshingly honest in his comments on our club.
I can't understand why he wasn't played in the senior team, and encouraged to get back to his best.
It's easy to dismiss him as rubbish. but..he actually wasn't rubbish, and Swannies see something in him..even if he is a fill in, he's holding up his end. As if they couldn't have chosen at least a dozen others for that role! He's there because he is pretty good.
Too many stories of personality clashes from coaches and players..
There is something in it.
Anyway..
I'm having a belligerent day
gonna go back to being my usual dainty agreeable self.
:razz:

camel · **Posted:** Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:26 pm

Are not!

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