Yeah, played finals two out of the last four years, won a final last year, definitely middle of the road.

I am pretty confident Murphy, Gibbs and Judd would get a game at most other clubs. And according to you Thomas is also a gun. There's our core midfield.

perhaps mick could look down the barrel and apologise for his gross mis-judgement of the list and offer to restructure his contract to a more reasonable sum of money and kpi's... ?

How come?
He was headhunted and contracted to coach the list we have

I world be directing my anger at the president board and CEO and everybody else who has had a hand at bringing us here.
Do you smell what they were cooking now?
That's fraud..!

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Hmm. Me too. And you say some good things about rum and Whisky too.

Ok, you got me. Yay, Abbott!!

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didn't you know... we were at 11oclock on the premiership clock !

Saints were better than us.
Nobody is pretending they should be in grand finals too
Nothing coming through will kill you.

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It's clear that too many thought we should be a top 4 team and a change to MM would make that happen. The aging of the list combined with a lack of youth due to bad recruiting has worsen the situation.
The backlash has been fierce, but the focus on MM is silly. He has built good lists from crap before and I think he can do it again IF he gets the right support. He is not the recruiter or list manager.
The club needs to get its act together and a first step would be to be clear about strategy and what needs to be done.

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Yes nothing coming through and the list is getting worse, but you asked about now and not the future, and we are a middle of the road list right now, thanks for giving in and agreeing with me..

don't you think a degree of due diligence and professionalism prior to him accepting the terms (to strike !) of the $3,000,000 contract would have shown the list to be lightweight ??

The visy controlled board is entirely responsible for this mess.
Those directors who know who they are resign and let MLG the space to lift this club
We have a negative brand now that requires new thinking and action to repair the legacy left by kernahans board

I have to agree, MM behaved shockingly in the way he addressed Sam, he's a grown man and paid to represent our club so he should learn to control his bad temper and not behave like a spoilt brat. Sets a very poor example for his players.

'no sorry guys, your list isn't as good as you think but i tell you what... i'll still take the job but how about i only take 1 million , not the 3 you are offering'

SAID NO ONE EVER !

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

they rolled the dice on their house of cards....

We get it synbad, the club has made terrible mistakes over the last 15 or so years. We know. No one disagrees with you. The point of contention is whether multi million dollar Mick is another mistake. Just because he is not responsible for what happened prior to Oct 2012, doesn't mean he has no responsibility for how the team has played this year. Its not about our list being premiership quality, no one thinks that. Its about whether the coach has got the best out of the talent he has. Some supporters don't think mick should take any responsibility for our performance. I think at a million bucks a year, he should have some responsibility. And we have been crap this year.

Yep ! and when they ask questions i'd like Mick to answer there questions.After all,if you ask a civil qqquestion you are entitled to a civil answer....................but thats the trouble,aint it.There not civil qquestions are they.There tricky questions,clever qquestions.Everyone is trying to catck Mick out.Its a competition amongst the journo's.Its a brownies point battle.Everyones after Micks scalp.Who's gonna bag the biggest elephant going around.Micks scalp is the jewel in the crown..............its sorta like a competion..........."Who's the man who shot Liberty Vallance".Every gunslinger in town wants to bring Liberty down.
Whos the man who shot Liberty Vallance,the man that shot Liberty Vallance,he is the greatest of them all.......................right at the moment its a battle royal between Caro and Robbo to bag Liberty Vallance.......................Nah,good on Mick for give it to 'em.These were the same dogs that loved pushin' Ratts around and make him squirm in his seat................hey,Mick has got his faults,but his front foot agression at post match press conferances aint one of 'em.

ARE YOU GUYS SERIOUS.DO YOU WANT MICK TO GO SOFT ON RIFF RAFF LIKE SMITH AND ROBBO.

as you guys know,i am respectful to all posters but if you guys are backing muckraking journos over Mick,or any other coach for that manner then can not be expected to get respect.

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I have no problem with that except you were there clapping your hands like a big seal when Mick signed and you sprouted our we would be a better team and players will improve out of site under Mick. You supported the board, pres and ceo on their big appointment. You seem happy with Thomas too. B&F winner this year. Marked your words.

You get it wrong so much that we have to take the rest of your posts with a grain of salt.

Go "big picture" on us again. Its a good out. ........but really if you go "really big picture" you would ask yourself why you and the rest of us waste so much time on a football fan site ? is it really the behaviour of "Deep Thinkers"?

Ok good
We are a crap club and need an independent review of the while club.
I agree.
But I won't blame mick for this mess...
I've pinpointed the mess ... And they know what they have done that's why no review is coming.
So I don't give this club a cent...
Nothing!

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We have bigger issues than worrying about MM behaviour or manner with journalists....

What about franklin poleaxing our captain......what message does that send?

Is Malthouse the right coach to take us forward and develop a premiership team

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