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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:04 pm 
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Mick had every right to let Laidler go. He acted like a petulant brat, felt hard done by but didn't complain when he received his hefty pay check every week.

Basically the money we were paying Laidler we didn't get a good return for. When asked to develop his game, he had a sook.


I think I have said this before but I heard Laidler say last year during trade week that Mick asked him to try playing up forward and he told him "no that's not me".


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:07 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Mick had every right to let Laidler go. He acted like a petulant brat, felt hard done by but didn't complain when he received his hefty pay check every week.

Basically the money we were paying Laidler we didn't get a good return for. When asked to develop his game, he had a sook.


I think I have said this before but I heard Laidler say last year during trade week that Mick asked him to try playing up forward and he told him "no that's not me".

He said exactly that. Whilst conveniently forgetting that he was drafted as a FORWARD. Shock horror.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:15 pm 
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That's a fair question. Who would you pick first? I'd have mick in my top five, I reckon. Leppitsch? Scotts? Richardson? The guy who coaches the bulldogs? Buckley? The Richmond dude?


Ken Hinkley has done well with limited resources - the 2013 AFLCA coach of the year

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:53 pm 
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not limited... because he has a good list

no misses in drafting

on the other hand... our drafting is akin to StKildas... meaning there is a genocide of draftees.

Thats indisputable

Will you do the exercise?

Who have Port drafted in the last 5 years and who have we?
Also.. if ours are rippers.. but Micks burning them,.. i reckon the great Hunckley will be able to draft / trade for our early picks with later picks making him more of a genius bringing in early GUN talent ontop of his already high talent laden list and maybe win one flag?
Surely he is unamazing till he wins one... surely.... but he will be super aming if he wins a fag with Lucas/Bootsma/Watson/Temay etc

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:04 am 
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What has Mick done then??

Well he has been a genius of sorts shifting Rowe to defence. He has it would appear helped Levi get fit and develop some inner belief. He has overseen a marked improvement in White. There alone he has basically found 3 KPPS many of us probably thought would never make the grade. He has turned Yarran into a very, very good player. He has overseen a marked improvement in Gibbs. He was instrumental in getting Everitt across, who right now would probably be in the top 5 in the B&F. He has backed our besieged captain to the hilt. He has thrown down the gauntlet to Jeff and Waite – hopefully he can turn them around like he has Yarran. He has managed to get very admirable efforts of late against some of the best sides going around, only lack of skill letting he and the club down. He has helped Robinson have his best year to date. He has basically seen the face of the 22 change by about 10 names in 12 months, a huge feat and evidence he is introducing new, mostly young blood into the team despite the ridiculous bellyaching of silly fans who seem incapable of seeing beyond Nick Graham.

About the only thing he hasn’t done well is he has overseen some poor efforts against lowly sides. But arguably that is an onfield leadership problem as much as a coaching problem. Therein lies another question for you – do you think CFC have one of the better leadership groups going around? Isn’t it well publicized the list is full of introverts? Mick is not a psychologist you know!

Maybe the other thing he is guilty of is over rating the list. But then it was he who coached Coll 2 years back when I think it was in R3 Carlton with a fit and firing Judd, Betts, Henderson, Scotland etc hammered his Coll to become premiership favourites overnight. Can’t blame him for thinking Carlton were pretty good at that point in time.

And therein lies the proof in the pudding that things can change quickly in 2 years.

But I am sure you’ll throw your blinkers on, stick your head in the sand and find ways to argue our performances are all Mick’s fault despite the fact he has a list in transition with a decaying midfield core, a list built by systematically terrible recruiting for years, a list inflicted by a record number of post season surgeries … oh and have I mentioned the fact in year one Mick was unable to shape the list because players were contracted and the cap was loaded meaning hardly any list changes were possible?


Amazing.
Mick has done all these wonderful things and yet we're heading toward the bottom 4 after winning a final last year.
That's the proof in the pudding. Not the mostly unfounded speculation you've written there.

There's only 1 reality. 13th on the ladder and heading south. You can dress it up in frills and bows but that's what Mick will be judged on. Results.
That's why he's getting nervous and starting to deflect and make excuses.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:22 am 
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Laidler and fevola?

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Synbad wrote:
not limited... because he has a good list

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Yes Mr S, so good was the port list that Hinkley inherited that the only player you wanted carlton to poach from port was the slow and ageing Cornes. (Even though the cats sent out Bartel and Selwood to Adelaide one day to try to persuade Wines to come to Geelong. The cats only rated wines. The great Mr S rated the decaying cornes).

So good was the port list that champion data in 2012 rated port as having the second poorest list in the league. We were ranked 9th overall, and also having the second best forwards, and third best midfield in the league.

Our defense ranked 14th needed attention by mick when he first arrived. He did very little in his first 12 months. He did nothing to be precise, so we fell behind in all areas.

He couldn't keep betts who was all Australian in 2011 and 2012. But needed room in the cap to recruit his son from the pies on ridiculous money, for a skinny glascot type pocket player who doesn't kick goals but can tackle from behind.

You must have been very pleased at the great job Primus did when he was removed. Especially seeing as the only player of worth that you wanted at carlton was Cornes....

You reckon they nailed all their player recruiting choices.

Did they nail the senior coaching spot, like we did Mr S?

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Not that i want to give your scattergun posting credence or oxygen by replying. But if you are going to repetitiously post a 'fact' you coukd at least get it right. The player you are talking about is Travis Boak, not Ollie Wines.

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Fev and Laidler

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:48 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sugarcane wrote:
What has Mick done then??

Well he has been a genius of sorts shifting Rowe to defence. He has it would appear helped Levi get fit and develop some inner belief. He has overseen a marked improvement in White. There alone he has basically found 3 KPPS many of us probably thought would never make the grade. He has turned Yarran into a very, very good player. He has overseen a marked improvement in Gibbs. He was instrumental in getting Everitt across, who right now would probably be in the top 5 in the B&F. He has backed our besieged captain to the hilt. He has thrown down the gauntlet to Jeff and Waite – hopefully he can turn them around like he has Yarran. He has managed to get very admirable efforts of late against some of the best sides going around, only lack of skill letting he and the club down. He has helped Robinson have his best year to date. He has basically seen the face of the 22 change by about 10 names in 12 months, a huge feat and evidence he is introducing new, mostly young blood into the team despite the ridiculous bellyaching of silly fans who seem incapable of seeing beyond Nick Graham.

About the only thing he hasn’t done well is he has overseen some poor efforts against lowly sides. But arguably that is an onfield leadership problem as much as a coaching problem. Therein lies another question for you – do you think CFC have one of the better leadership groups going around? Isn’t it well publicized the list is full of introverts? Mick is not a psychologist you know!

Maybe the other thing he is guilty of is over rating the list. But then it was he who coached Coll 2 years back when I think it was in R3 Carlton with a fit and firing Judd, Betts, Henderson, Scotland etc hammered his Coll to become premiership favourites overnight. Can’t blame him for thinking Carlton were pretty good at that point in time.

And therein lies the proof in the pudding that things can change quickly in 2 years.

But I am sure you’ll throw your blinkers on, stick your head in the sand and find ways to argue our performances are all Mick’s fault despite the fact he has a list in transition with a decaying midfield core, a list built by systematically terrible recruiting for years, a list inflicted by a record number of post season surgeries … oh and have I mentioned the fact in year one Mick was unable to shape the list because players were contracted and the cap was loaded meaning hardly any list changes were possible?


Amazing.
Mick has done all these wonderful things and yet we're heading toward the bottom 4 after winning a final last year.
That's the proof in the pudding. Not the mostly unfounded speculation you've written there.

There's only 1 reality. 13th on the ladder and heading south. You can dress it up in frills and bows but that's what Mick will be judged on. Results.
That's why he's getting nervous and starting to deflect and make excuses.


Yes mick is blaming everyone at the club except for himself, Wiley, Green, Daisy, Everritt, Docherty and Wood. The untouchables.

Yes Cameron Wood ladies and gentlemen, another lost pie son that we must recruit. A player in the mould of Luke o'sullivan - 64 games in a decade of football.

Even in tonight's game, the great Mick has been talking about how supreme the swans list is. The best in the universe. So good that Laidler is a regular starter each week.

Preparing everyone. If we lose, then there was nothing mick could do. Doesn't gave the cattle against the supreme swans. If we happen to win then the genius of Malthouse outwitted the lazy and arrogant Longmuire.

Great politician is our head coach. Players must be impressed with him

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:52 am 
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Heavs wrote:
Not that i want to give your scattergun posting credence or oxygen by replying. But if you are going to repetitiously post a 'fact' you coukd at least get it right. The player you are talking about is Travis Boak, not Ollie Wines.


Are you saying Bartel and Selwood went to Adelaide to talk to boak? Not wines?

Check your records, you're sounding like Dean Wallis

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Heavs wrote:
Not that i want to give your scattergun posting credence or oxygen by replying. But if you are going to repetitiously post a 'fact' you coukd at least get it right. The player you are talking about is Travis Boak, not Ollie Wines.


PORT ADELAIDE
Defenders 18th
Midfield/Rucks 12th
Forwards 17th
LIST QUALITY 17th

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:59 am 
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Effes wrote:
Heavs wrote:
Not that i want to give your scattergun posting credence or oxygen by replying. But if you are going to repetitiously post a 'fact' you coukd at least get it right. The player you are talking about is Travis Boak, not Ollie Wines.


PORT ADELAIDE
Defenders 18th
Midfield/Rucks 12th
Forwards 17th
LIST QUALITY 17th


4 stats says it all Effffes....

Were do you source your raw data? I am very impressed with your thoroughness...

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He took the $3 , 000 , 000 contract on knowing he had to 'strike' ie win a premiership.

He's failed that expectation and is now shifting dramatically towards a rebuild.

I think it's only reasonable the contract be renegotiated at seasons end.


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Rexy wrote:
He took the $3 , 000 , 000 contract on knowing he had to 'strike' ie win a premiership.

He's failed that expectation and is now shifting dramatically towards a rebuild.

I think it's only reasonable the contract be renegotiated at seasons end.



I would put Mick on 40% of what Ken Hinkley is earning - ie about $190K per year.

Also re-negotiate Mick's contract every 4 weeks.

We cant take any chances going forward Rexy

(Also place Robert Wiley in an honorary volunteer role. Daisy paid on a weekly basis depending on how many tackles he lays whilst hiding in the pocket - about $65 per tackle should cover it. Cameron Wood only paid if and when he reaches 100 games before 2018 - he has clocked up 64 games in 10 years - may be asking too much of him as a 28 year old)

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:43 am 
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Actually doent say anything.
Unless you somehow use the recruiting in with it.

Lets do another stat exercise.
stKilda 4 years

and today

I think people are shirking the real issues.

Cret for the record will you give us Ports recruiting record over the last SIX years compared to Carltons or not?
When you can do that... you gain some kind of credibility... otherwise you have to run with the Cretybility tg im anointing you with ...

You have till monday at exactly noon.
Or anything you utter from that time and have no Cretybility... otherwise known as a another 'InCreyble' it will be right up there with the 'Surreyism'

Youve been given a show cause notice... its up to you now....

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If MLG thinks Micks the man to rebuild he should offer him a 2015/16/17 renegotiated contract right now.

I don't think they know if Mick's the man.

They're paying a guy $1 , 000 , 000 per year for a guy they're not sure about... ??


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w h y d o you t y p e nu mb ers l i k e this?

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why are you being pedantic ?


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Synbad wrote:
Actually doent say anything.
Unless you somehow use the recruiting in with it.

Lets do another stat exercise.
stKilda 4 years

and today

I think people are shirking the real issues.

Cret for the record will you give us Ports recruiting record over the last SIX years compared to Carltons or not?
When you can do that... you gain some kind of credibility... otherwise you have to run with the Cretybility tg im anointing you with ...

You have till monday at exactly noon.
Or anything you utter from that time and have no Cretybility... otherwise known as a another 'InCreyble' it will be right up there with the 'Surreyism'

Youve been given a show cause notice... its up to you now....


Yes you were so impressed with Ports list and the supreme Job that Primus did in 2012, that you only wanted to poach Cornes from their list at the end of 2012.

And do you know why Mr S?

because YOU like everyone else in Australia (outside fanatical Port members) believed that Carltons list was way in front of Ports list at the end of 2012.

Even the GREAT TONY SHAW could see that...

Remember the good old days Mr S, when you thought Mick was going to win the flag after the AFL and the tigers gave us a charity elimination final win in the 2013 finals?

Do you remember the performance against the Swans in the following week?

Do you remember how many tackles we racked up in that game?

I have been telling carlton people about the inept and fragile leadership culture at carlton since the Pagan/Elshaugh gang finally dismantled it in 2004

And dragging in Daisy, Docherty, Wood and the journey man Everritt is not going to rectify this short coming in the short to medium term.

So we continue along changing senior coaches every 5 or so years waiting for some of the players to grow into real men - like walker waite Judd Murphy and Gibbs (all players with great talents and abilities - buts its not enough Mr S. remember Peter Sartori had great abilities as well, so did Lawrence Augwin)

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